2010/2011 Premier League Thread

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Locke

I have no idea, honestly, I dont follow Pompey or Harry that closely, but from what I understand, regardless of the fact that they were sold for more than they were bought, while there the wage structure was outrageous. Further, the timing of holding those players, paying them and then being relegated screwed the finances.

As for the chairman, I have no idea what influence Harry had, but I'd say there was definitely some, as he brought some of thos ex-Pompey players with him to Spurs.

Harry takes a lot of stick - and maybe rightfully sometimes, but ultimately, it wasn't his job to balance the books. Storrie and his execs should have been policing Harry's spending and making sure he stuck to his wage structure - that didn't happen. It's easier to blame Aitch though because he bailed on them to come to us.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

for more than he paid for them coming to Spurs than he did to get them to Pompey

if anything he saved the club for a few years

I'll take your word for it. But dont expect me to waving any 'Arry pom poms. In my opinion the guy is not as good as advertised and I feel his financial acumen is vastly overrated at best.

If nothing else, Pompey has finally demonstrated some Moral Hazard accountability. Its always assumed that clubs can do no wrong and will never fold as there is always someone out there looking to buy them, this shows that its simply not true.

While the EPL and the FA have lately been instituting tighter financial regulations, this demonstrates that these have been needed for a while and they are reacting far too slowly once again.

[Coys1882]

The real story of Pompey folding is this guy:


What does he do on Saturdays now?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

The real story of Pompey folding is this guy:


What does he do on Saturdays now?

Getting those removed is going to be expensive and painful.

[NBC]

Just had a chat with my neighbour, he's from Manchester. He's of the belief that this whole Rooney saga was completely manufactured by Ferguson and Wayne himself. Rooney was acting as Fergie's mouthpiece, stating that the club doesn't match his ambition, etc. It could have been code for Fergie wanting more money to spend on his squad and sending the message to the Glazers that they need to sort out the finances because quality players like Rooney aren't happy with the current situation.

I thought it sounded interesting and more to the point, plausible.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by NBC

Just had a chat with my neighbour, he's from Manchester. He's of the belief that this whole Rooney saga was completely manufactured by Ferguson and Wayne himself. Rooney was acting as Fergie's mouthpiece, stating that the club doesn't match his ambition, etc. It could have been code for Fergie wanting more money to spend on his squad and sending the message to the Glazers that they need to sort out the finances because quality players like Rooney aren't happy with the current situation.

I thought it sounded interesting and more to the point, plausible.

That does indeed actually sound rather plausible. Also rather pointless as I honestly dont for a second believe that the Glazers care.

[d_phaneuf]

ya I read that at a Man U site as well, half of them are blasting Rooney for being a scouser and the other half are trying to come up with a scenario where he was never going to leave and thats the conclusion they came too

[valo403]

Originally Posted by NBC

Just had a chat with my neighbour, he's from Manchester. He's of the belief that this whole Rooney saga was completely manufactured by Ferguson and Wayne himself. Rooney was acting as Fergie's mouthpiece, stating that the club doesn't match his ambition, etc. It could have been code for Fergie wanting more money to spend on his squad and sending the message to the Glazers that they need to sort out the finances because quality players like Rooney aren't happy with the current situation.

I thought it sounded interesting and more to the point, plausible.

Plausible, but I don't think Ferguson is stupid enough to think that it would work. The Glazers are hated in pretty much every business they're involved in, they really don't give a toss about anything other than the bottom line.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

for more than he paid for them coming to Spurs than he did to get them to Pompey

if anything he saved the club for a few years

You're leaving out the costs incurred while those players were on the books. If I but a car for $20,000 and sell it 2 years later for $22,000 that appears to be a profit, but if it cost me $5,000/year to keep it around I've actually lost $8,000.

You can't really pin the blame without knowing who was given control over what, but the fact those palyers were sold for more only tells a small part of the story.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by valo403

You're leaving out the costs incurred while those players were on the books. If I but a car for $20,000 and sell it 2 years later for $22,000 that appears to be a profit, but if it cost me $5,000/year to keep it around I've actually lost $8,000.

You can't really pin the blame without knowing who was given control over what, but the fact those palyers were sold for more only tells a small part of the story.

true but a 35m pound profit on players is likely close to what their wages were per season when he was there, none of the players he brought in were big names so their wages wouldn't have been high. The most expensive players brought in were Peter Crouch and Jermaine Defoe, neither of whom have high wages are Spurs and they certainly got raises from when they were at Pompey.

And pompey's wages have always been below the premier league average (which for the last time it was released was 58m pounds, although the average is brought up by Chelsea, United, and Arsenal all being above 100m)

I was just trying to point out that Harry wasn't to blame for their current state, no one knows who was, but it certainly wasn't him

[Da Bosman]

'arry bought Kaboul for 9.5 million pounds just ten months ago. Kaboul has started just three games this season.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Da Bosman

'arry bought Kaboul for 9.5 million pounds just ten months ago. Kaboul has started just three games this season.

He is at Tottenham now, his fiscal dealings there have nothing to do with his time at Pompey

Kaboul is a depth player at Spurs though, not a starter, but he probly would have started 8 or 9 games if he hadn't been injured the last month

and the 9.5 million pounds was well spent, he can play any position on the back 4 and was massive filling in for injuries last year in them getting 4th

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Da Bosman

'arry bought Kaboul for 9.5 million pounds just ten months ago. Kaboul has started just three games this season.

There is also the fact that he wasn't 100% paid for by Pompey and that Tottenham just took him back so Pompey didn't have to keep making monthly payments on him.

[Dagger]

whiskynose is a . Kind of funny seeing he's been at United for what 24 years, and he's too scared to take on the owners publicly. What the hell does that say about him as a man? He's too scared he'll be sacked so he doesn't speak up....even though he'd obviously have more pull in Manchester.

Up the road 30 minutes, a Spaniard who'd been at the club for 3 years, launched a war to take back Liverpool, got the fans involved, told them what was happening, and what the end result could be and was ultimately sacked 2 years later, going down fighting and STILL launched attacks on them.

Tells you about the character of the two of them, especially since the latter is labeled arrogant by all your 2nd rate English managers. Which is funny seeing as baconface had launched that whole sad face, sad the game's about this and that, when he's been tamporing with Berbatov for a while, and that he was all over the papers with Stretford(Rooney's agent) and when he's bought him he said something to the effect of "it would have been a shame if a talent like this born 30 miles up the road wasn't a United player."

[Nuje]

Originally Posted by Dagger

Up the road 30 minutes, a Spaniard who'd been at the club for 3 years, launched a war to take back Liverpool, got the fans involved, told them what was happening, and what the end result could be and was ultimately sacked 2 years later, going down fighting and STILL launched attacks on them.

To add to that,

Fact - Purslow was criticized by Benitez. Purslow was relieved of his position shortly after. Now I understand with new owners that would usually come anyways, but I firmly believe had that not happened, they would have told Purslow of their desire, but had him stay in his position until they had found a successor.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Nuje

To add to that,

Fact - Purslow was criticized by Benitez. Purslow was relieved of his position shortly after. Now I understand with new owners that would usually come anyways, but I firmly believe had that not happened, they would have told Purslow of their desire, but had him stay in his position until they had found a successor.

Good point.

Didn't look right seeing him manage Inter against the fat English droopy face did it?

[Da Bosman]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

He is at Tottenham now, his fiscal dealings there have nothing to do with his time at Pompey

Kaboul is a depth player at Spurs though, not a starter, but he probly would have started 8 or 9 games if he hadn't been injured the last month

and the 9.5 million pounds was well spent, he can play any position on the back 4 and was massive filling in for injuries last year in them getting 4th

Of course his financial dealings have everything to do with Portsmouth's current troubles. He (with the board's approval, I will admit) bought many players for much much more than they were worth. It is easy to say that they sold the players for more than they were bought for, but that doesn't take into account the huge wages that were being paid.

Kaboul started only ten matches for Tottenham last season after being bought by 'arry in January for 9.5 million pounds. Spurs scored eleven goals in those matches. They conceded twelve.

[Da Bosman]

How about the fifteen million pounds he wasted on Robbie Keane? He's turned ninth highest scorer in Premier League history from club captain into a bit part player who almost never starts matches anymore. Why? Because Robbie took the team to Dublin for a Christmas party last year against 'arry's wishes.

[Da Bosman]

Originally Posted by Dagger

whiskynose is a . Kind of funny seeing he's been at United for what 24 years, and he's too scared to take on the owners publicly. What the hell does that say about him as a man? He's too scared he'll be sacked so he doesn't speak up....even though he'd obviously have more pull in Manchester.

Up the road 30 minutes, a Spaniard who'd been at the club for 3 years, launched a war to take back Liverpool, got the fans involved, told them what was happening, and what the end result could be and was ultimately sacked 2 years later, going down fighting and STILL launched attacks on them.

Tells you about the character of the two of them, especially since the latter is labeled arrogant by all your 2nd rate English managers. Which is funny seeing as baconface had launched that whole sad face, sad the game's about this and that, when he's been tamporing with Berbatov for a while, and that he was all over the papers with Stretford(Rooney's agent) and when he's bought him he said something to the effect of "it would have been a shame if a talent like this born 30 miles up the road wasn't a United player."

One of those two managers is widely considered to be the greatest manager of all time. For any club in any league, that is.

The other was a total joke who the vast majority of Liverpool supporters wanted out for years before he was finally sacked. His terrible rotation policy cost us the league in 2009.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Da Bosman

How about the fifteen million pounds he wasted on Robbie Keane? He's turned ninth highest scorer in Premier League history from club captain into a bit part player who almost never starts matches anymore. Why? Because Robbie took the team to Dublin for a Christmas party last year against 'arry's wishes.

Buying Keane back was a massive mistake, but the reason he never starts isn't because of that trip (although its probly why he got sent to Celtic) its because Keane is a terrible player without Berbatov, Liverpool found that out last year as well when he played with Torres

Every manager makes mistakes in transfers, I don't know why this thread for you turned in to a find what Harry Redknapp has done wrong thread