Your belief about September, 11th, 2001

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Rathji

So they couldn't keep this conspiracy under wraps, but the conspiracy involving flying airplanes into the WTC, kidnapping and executing passengers while flying a dummy plane into the Pentagon was not a problem for them?

Huh?

You cherry picked one of my posts from the thread without reading the others. You'll find your explanation in my other posts.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by photon

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/no...ger-advocates/

So it's true.... Mac users are insecure about their inferior product.

[thymebalm]

I have some input -

1) Just because it's written, doesn't make it so.

As you fling "sources" back and forth both for and against the official story of 9/11, remember that.

2) Always ask yourself, who benefits?

Who benefits from the attacks on the 9/11? Recognizing who benefits is really what is important, because ultimately, people require motivation for action.

So those of you on the side of the official report, who benefitted from the attacks that day?


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Things that are indicative of scandal are as follows:

1) the USA PATRIOT Act - (or The Uniting and Strengthen America by Providing Appropriate Tools Require to Intercept and Obstruct Terroism Act)

In a nutshell, this act robs citizens of many of their personal and privacy rights. Attempts at passings acts like this into law were always shut down in the past because of the infringement on personal rights.

An act like that would have never passed into law except under the fear, panic and pressure that followed the attack. Who is the primary benefactor of this act? The American Government. it didn't give people more rights to protect themselves, but insisted they would be better protected with less privacy... sounds like 1984 to me.

2) Ownership Change and Insurance Policies regarding the Twin Towers

The twin towers were public buildings since their erection and were managed by the port authority. Now, something you may or may not know (and if you are engaged in the 9/11 debate, you've probably heard this before) is that public buildings cannot hold insurance policies. This is the same in Canada, and goes for vehicles as well as other items that regular individuals or corporations would see fit to insure.

These buildings remained uninsured for ~30 years when suddenly, in 2001, the Port Authority sought to lease the buildings to a private entity. Larry Silverstein wound up winning that bid, and went on to insure all of the buildings. For the first time in the history of the buildings, 29 years after they were constructed, and less than 2 months before they fell, they became insured. Silverstein would go on to win billions of dollars in insurances claims, managing to claim "double occurance" on some of the insurance providers. Larry's bid of 3.2 billion which he used to purchase the buildings was covered to the tune of 4.2 billion by said insurance companies.

One has to ask themselves if they can believe the coincidences required for this to have been a fluke. Had the Government not leased this building, they would have lost billions of dollars in the attacks. Instead, not only did they receive the money from the lease, which requires Silverstein to rebuild, but they receive 10 million dollars a month from Silverstein as base rent on the empty site.

3) The Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq

Who benefits? Afghanistan? no. Iraq? no. Bin Laden? definitely not. Haliburton? bing! The US Department of Defense? Bing, bing! Did you know they were receiving only 3% of the GDP from 1999-2001 (the lowest percentage in recent history.) It was the terrorist strikes that helped the Department of Defense put their hands back in the pockets of the American taxpayer.

We could go a lot deeper here. We could talk about opium (Afghanistan), or oil (Iraq) or the two puppet democracies that the US managed to prop up in the countries that were invaded.

Could the USA have gone to war without the attacks? No. Was either country responsible for the attacks? no.

Who benefits?

In closing, I'd like to leave you with a powerful quote from the 1966 Broadway musical "Cabaret" - "Money makes the world go around"

You won't hear much more from me here. I'm a Calgary Flames fan first and foremost and this thread looks mostly like mud-slinging. I just had to put in my two cents.

[Flabbibulin]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Interesting perspective... kind of reminds me of a personal story (stick with me on this)-

A couple years ago, I was minding my own, sitting in my car at a red light when a drunk driver rear-ended me from behind. He was going at such a high speed that it caused complete damage to my car and I was hospitalized for several days. In the long run though, I benefited, as did others, quite a bit from the incident:

1/ I received a new car via insurance

2/ I received a hefty settlement because of the physical harm I endured

3/ I didn't have to work for a few weeks and the insurance even paid for my salary

4/ The car salesman received a decent commission check for my car purchase

5/ The 2 lawyers hired by both sides were paid well, and my lawyer even received a percentage of the settlement

6/ The correctional system benefited because of the tax money they will receive to charge/possibly imprison the drunk driver

7/ the insurance companies benefit because everyones rates go up

In summary, I guess the conclusion must be that I secretly caused the accident so that I could receive these benefits-

Scandalously, and secretly, I spiked the other driver's drinks at a pub for hours so he would be intoxicated while driving ... traced his route home for several days before so I knew which way he would drive home... Timed the intersection light just perfectly so he would rear end me at 50km/h while I was stopped. Oh, and all with the help of the car salesman, the insurance adjusters, the lawyers, and the correctional system.

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? But it must be true because so many people benefited from the terrible incident.

I realize you are not completely suggesting that the US conspired on 9/11 so they could benefit in the ways you mentioned... but millions of others around the world are suggesting this very thing.

A good quote as well: "As far as conspiracists are concerned, there is no such thing as a coincidence"

[thymebalm]

sigh....

and that's why I was so hesitate to post...

[Weiser Wonder]

You need a lot more than motive to assign guilt, if you want it in simpler terms. You can't expect to make that post without that being the response.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

sigh....

and that's why I was so hesitate to post...

Hey, the irony is that there is essentially nothing untrue in your post- it would be hard to argue that the benefits you listed are anything but accurate. My point is that it is hardly enough (understatement) to convict the US for 9/11- it does however remain the central argument for conspiracists.

We should keep in mind that the US suffered a great deal because of 9/11, and most would argue the consequences far outweigh these benefits.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

sigh....

and that's why I was so hesitate to post...

Dude, it's a message board, people will counter your opinion, especially if it's contraversial. You got to toughen up a bit.

[edn88]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

sigh....

and that's why I was so hesitate to post...

If your argument/evidence cannot take a little heat, maybe it is best to not post in the CP kitchen

[CrusaderPi]

The hijackers were lizard people. Or under the control of the lizard people. Now you know.

Also, it should be noted that the lizard people actually made clones of the hijackers. These clone hijackers are now living as freemen on the land. Now you know.

[thymebalm]

I just knew this topic was too complex for an internet message board. And yet... I tried anyway. It's not like I don't have counter-arguments. It's not like I couldn't go deeper into it.

It's just that I can tell already that everyone is resigned to their beliefs at this point. I could write 1000 pages and not change a single mind. So I'm out. And back to hockey. If I keep going it's far more than "my two cents" anyway.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

I just knew this topic was too complex for an internet message board. And yet... I tried anyway. It's not like I don't have counter-arguments. It's not like I couldn't go deeper into it.

It's just that I can tell already that everyone is resigned to their beliefs at this point. I could write 1000 pages and not change a single mind. So I'm out. And back to hockey. If I keep going it's far more than "my two cents" anyway.

See ya later Columbo, thanks for solving the case.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

I just knew this topic was too complex for an internet message board. And yet... I tried anyway. It's not like I don't have counter-arguments. It's not like I couldn't go deeper into it.

It's just that I can tell already that everyone is resigned to their beliefs at this point. I could write 1000 pages and not change a single mind. So I'm out. And back to hockey. If I keep going it's far more than "my two cents" anyway.

Don't accuse us of being stupid and say the topic is too complex for this message board. That's a freakin lazy cop out. If you have counter opinions, then post them. Don't be a drama queen, and claim you're too smart for us, that's stupid. It's what Peter12 does all the time, and it's so annoying.

There's alot of smart people on this meesage board. If you think you're too smart for everyone, then just leave and find a place with people you deem smart enough for your "complex" opinions. But don't take shots at our message board.

[Stimpy]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

See ya later Columbo, thanks for solving the case.

Was that really called for?

[Roast Beef]

Originally Posted by Stimpy

Was that really called for?

Did you read the post? Yes, it was called for.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Stimpy

Was that really called for?

A little humor at the expense of his ego? I think so.

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by Stimpy

Was that really called for?

Yes it was. If a person says something mock worthy and no one mocks how will that person ever learn?

[Stimpy]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Don't accuse us of being stupid and say the topic is too complex for this message board. That's a freakin lazy cop out. If you have counter opinions, then post them. Don't be a drama queen, and claim you're too smart for us, that's stupid. It's what Peter12 does all the time, and it's so annoying.

There's alot of smart people on this meesage board. If you think you're too smart for everyone, then just leave and find a place with people you deem smart enough for your "complex" opinions. But don't take shots at our message board.

He didn't call anyone stupid, you made that leap all by yourself. What he said was true, this issue can be way too complex for a message board. There are plenty of theories on both sides and many of them are inter-related and require some level of extrapolation. You have to write a lot to make a point on some of the issues involved with the topic. That doesn't translate well to a message board as most posters see something longer than a couple sentences and they zone out and skip past the post. For someone who told him to toughen up, you should take your own advice.

[Stimpy]

Originally Posted by Roast Beef

Did you read the post? Yes, it was called for.

Why, because it didn't align with your beliefs? Diversity of opinion is a good thing.

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

Yes it was. If a person says something mock worthy and no one mocks how will that person ever learn?

So we all should openly mock you any time you say something? After all, how will you ever learn? If you disagreed with his post argue the content, not the poster.

[CrusaderPi]

The poster is represented by the content he posts. Especially on a message board where people only know each other by what they post. For example, if beerfest says something crazy I will think he's crazy. Or if peter12 says something pretentious I will think he's pretentious. Or if jetsfan says something misogynistic I will think he's a woman hating caveman. Or if Dion says something with words I will wonder if he's used all the pictures on the internet already.

And by all means, if I say something stupid call me on it.