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Old 10-18-2010, 01:17 AM   #121
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Well, im pretty sure the plane was real and the passengers did board it and take off.

But, like I said above, ive yet to see an evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that it hit the Pentagon.
United 93 is the one that flew into the ground in Pennsylvania thanks to the heroics of Todd Beamer (brave man who saved tons of lives that day by confronting the hijackers), not the one that hit the Pentagon. I've seen reports online, etc where people question it's validity and I think it is BS that people question United 93 being real or not.
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Well, im pretty sure the plane was real and the passengers did board it and take off.

But, like I said above, ive yet to see an evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that it hit the Pentagon.
ARRRRRG!

http://911research.com/pentagon/evid...dex.html#parts

I am sure in your mind all these photos including burned bodies is simply and elaborate hoax, but please click this link and quit looking at stuff that only fuels your desire to want to believe in a conspiracy. I think it may be plausible that they snuck in all that plane debris without anyone noticing, but it is worth a shot at trying to show you actual evidence.
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Well, im pretty sure the plane was real and the passengers did board it and take off.

But, like I said above, ive yet to see an evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that it hit the Pentagon.
So. The plane is real and the people are real. However it's all a conspiracy involving explosives, missiles and executions. A conspiracy that would take at minimum dozens if not hundreds of people to plan and execute. A conspiracy that would involve murdering/executing thousands of people from multiple nations. Ranging from civilians to military staff. A conspiracy that is so complicated and widespread that both republicans and democrats would have to be involved. Every minute detail would have to be planned to the second. It would have to be planned and executed so perfectly that no one would be able to see the magician behind the scenes.

Or.....It could have been 4 hijacked airplanes that were intended to be used as weapons.

You seriously believe in a massive conspiracy with executed passengers and destroyed planes being replaced with missiles and explosives to fake the impact and resulting devastation of said planes?
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Old 10-18-2010, 01:52 AM   #125
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With 9-11, there were a lot of odd things that occurred that morning, many of which were unprecedented. Of course asking questions of those odd things is perfectly valid. To ignore those oddities would be foolish.

However, in this case, there is so much viable proof that most, if not all the odd things are perfectly understandable and logical that it throws a big bucket of water over the counter arguments almost to extinguish them entirely.

I understand that some people think that there's this huge conspiracy and all that. The question I have is do you know how many people would have to be involved in such an operation, and for none of them to talk all this time later. The logistics of such an operation would rival that of D-day.

I'm not saying that it couldn't have happened. Just that the odds though of it being are so remote as to be virtually impossible.

There's not enough proof on the counter argument other than the mythical "boogeymen" did it because they had motive to do so. Whether there was a 9-11 or not, I'm sure Bush would've found some excuse to invade Iraq either way.
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ARRRRRG!

http://911research.com/pentagon/evid...dex.html#parts

I am sure in your mind all these photos including burned bodies is simply and elaborate hoax, but please click this link and quit looking at stuff that only fuels your desire to want to believe in a conspiracy. I think it may be plausible that they snuck in all that plane debris without anyone noticing, but it is worth a shot at trying to show you actual evidence.
How do I know any of those bodies came from the plane?
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How do I know any of those bodies came from the plane?
Lolol! Win! You totally got him!
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Lolol! Win! You totally got him!
What?
I see no evidence provided to prove that any of those bodies were of anyone on the plane.
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Exactly, that's why you've won.
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The passengers very well could of been executed and the plane destroyed.
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Well, im pretty sure the plane was real and the passengers did board it and take off.

But, like I said above, ive yet to see an evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that it hit the Pentagon.
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I see no evidence provided to prove that any of those bodies were of anyone on the plane.


You have to be taking the piss. Nobody could be this dumb.
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The real arguement that the official version is more or less how it happened is simple, if the US goveremnt had decided to start a war with Iraq by flying planes into the WTC the highjackers would have been Iraqi, not Saudi Arabian, and there would have been crap loads of film showing how it happened so that we would be in no doubt.

The reason that people want to doubt this is because the reality of chaos scares the crap out of them, it is far more comforting to think that there is a higher power in charge of things than that they live in a world full of wack jobs.
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The real arguement that the official version is more or less how it happened is simple, if the US goveremnt had decided to start a war with Iraq by flying planes into the WTC the highjackers would have been Iraqi, not Saudi Arabian, and there would have been crap loads of film showing how it happened so that we would be in no doubt.
But that would have been too simple. The American people would never have fallen for such a simple deception. The cheese had to be placed just right so that the mice could hit a few dead ends before being led to the goal. It was ALL PART OF THE PLAN!!!! Just imagine trying to pass off a major multi-department government conspiracy as just 19 horny fundamentalist hijackers....yeah right...like the smart ones would go for that....

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You have to be taking the piss. Nobody could be this dumb.
You do realize there were people in the pentagon when the explosion occured..
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I have a question for the "truthers".

Why would the government attack the Pentagon to begin with?

Was the murder of 3000 people at the WTC not enough to declare that the country was at war?

Was seeing, quite clearly, two airplanes striking two different towers not powerful enough evidence that someone was attacking the USA?

Instead they needed to create some stealth missile dressed up as airplane to attack the very facility that would have housed those required to be in on the whole conspiracy/plan to begin with?

Lets use some common sense when answering this one.
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I love when people join discussion on a thread and instead of adding anything of value they just pile on sarcastic comments and random attacks at the OP.

Seriously, add discussion people instead of your sarcasm.
Sorry, that really is not how things work. The side that thinks it is a conspiracy must defend their point of view. The official story of AQ on 911 is the true story, it no longer must be defended. If you have some facts contrary to the AQ story, then present them. Loose Change does not count, since that as well has been discredited.

I can't stand these crazy debates, this is not how things work. Must we defend gravity, dinosaurs and evolution as well?
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ok, what is this supposed to say?

is this really a mock crash scene to make a point?
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Should I start the 'who killed Kennedy' thread? Or is someone else prepping that?
Lets just use this thread:

Anyone who thinks that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin of JFK is an idiot!
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im a "whackjob".
Well, this thread was done fast.

Tell me Beerfest, what is your opinion of being a free man on the land?


And Rathji - that image seems to show that the tinfoil hat crowd believes that commercial jets are 300 feet wide
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