| 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-01-2010, 09:49 AM | #1 |  
	| Lifetime Suspension 
				 
				Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Easter back on in Vancouver      | 
				 They are fighting overseas for Democracy, but are denied the right to vote. 
 
			
			http://www.calgarysun.com/news/colum.../15543551.html
 
	Quote: 
	
		| They're supplied with the bullets and rifles to defend democracy, but not the ballots to take part in elections back home. 
 If anyone should be marking an 'X' on Oct.18, it's the hundreds of Alberta soldiers serving in Afghanistan, risking snipers and
 
 bombs to establish democracy for citizens of a former dictatorship.
 
 People in that war-torn country can cast ballots because Canadian soldiers are there to protect their fragile democracy. But
 
 somehow, those wearing the Maple Leaf have no such privilege.
 
 Alberta, with two weeks to go before voting day, has failed to offer municipal ballot provisions for soldiers serving around
 
 Kandahar and Kabul.
 
 Simply put, Alberta's troops can't vote.
 |  
Seriously, how dumb can the government get? They surprise me more and more every day.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-01-2010, 09:56 AM | #2 |  
	| Franchise Player | 
 
			
			Is possible that they just are ineligable to vote? 
As per the guidelines, you must live in Alberta the proceeding 6 months to be able to vote. I'm not exactly sure how the exemptions work for military (I have a call in to a friend who is ex-Canadian Army) but if its cut and dry as it seems, they would be ineligable to vote. 
 
 
	Quote: 
	
		| Q. Who is eligible to vote in a civic election? A. The eligibility requirements are very straight-forward: you must be at least 18 years old, a Canadian citizen, a resident of Calgary, and have resided in Alberta for at least six consecutive months immediately preceeding election day.
 | 
				 Last edited by Drury18; 10-01-2010 at 09:56 AM.
					
					
						Reason: Can't quote properly.
 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-01-2010, 10:02 AM | #3 |  
	| Franchise Player 
				 
				Join Date: May 2004 Location: YSJ (1979-2002) -> YYC (2002-2022) -> YVR (2022-present)      | 
				  
 
			
			I also read a story earlier this week that 55 soldiers from CFB Gagetown currently serving in Afghanistan were unable to vote in Monday's NB provincial election because of an error shipping the absentee ballots.   
According to the article, oversea Forces personnel must  be given the opportunity to cast a ballot in federal elections, but provincial and municipal votes are seen more as a "nice to have".
 
	Quote: 
	
		| Gagetown Public Affairs officer Lt. (Navy) Alain Blondin said Task Force Kandahar personnel who were eligible to vote in the Sept. 27 provincial election were unable to do so due to an error in the shipment of the voting ballots. 
 In total, 55 registered personnel deployed with Task Force Kandahar were affected, he said.
 
 "As a result of the shipping irregularity, the ballots were not received and returned in time for the election count," Blondin said. "After the shipping error was discovered, the current Task Force determined that there were no means available to expedite the delivery, completion and return of the ballots by the Sept. 27, 2010, deadline."
 
 While not mandated to do so, Task Force Kandahar works to ensure that those personnel who wish to participate elections at both the municipal and provincial level are afforded the opportunity, Blondin said.
 
 Task Force Kandahar is mandated to provide all personnel with the opportunity to vote during federal elections.
 |  
Emphasis added.
http://dailygleaner.canadaeast.com/c...rticle/1239658 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-01-2010, 12:03 PM | #4 |  
	| evil of fart | 
 
			
			I don't see this as a big deal.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
			| The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Sliver For This Useful Post: |  |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-01-2010, 12:04 PM | #5 |  
	| Lifetime Suspension | 
 
			
			Exactly. Pretty statistically insignificant in a pretty meaningless election at a pretty useless level of government.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-01-2010, 12:12 PM | #6 |  
	| First Line Centre 
				 
				Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Locked in the Trunk of a Car      | 
 
			
			who cares if it's insignificant. You have the right to vote.  
 I was posted in Germany for 3 years and voted Federally and Provincially while i was there.
 
 If a candidate wins by less than 50 votes.  I'd be pissed that I didn't get mine in.
 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
			| The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to csnarpy For This Useful Post: |  |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-01-2010, 12:24 PM | #7 |  
	| Franchise Player 
				 
				Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Violating Copyrights      | 
 
			
			When you are serving the military, are you not essentially giving up your rights to a lot of things civilians are afforded?
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-01-2010, 02:30 PM | #8 |  
	| Norm! | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by Barnes  When you are serving the military, are you not essentially giving up your rights to a lot of things civilians are afforded? |  
Like what?
		 
				__________________My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
 
 Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-01-2010, 02:57 PM | #9 |  
	| Franchise Player 
				 
				Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Violating Copyrights      | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch  Like what? |  
I don't know, I was asking. All i know (or at least think) is that by joining the armed forces there are additional responsibilities you take on under military law. Certain things in civil law must contradict military law were the later takes precedence??.......
 
Maybe it's a US thing... I know that in the US, it is illegal for a commissioned officer to bad mouth the President.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-01-2010, 03:02 PM | #10 |  
	| Franchise Player 
				 
				Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Calgary      | 
 
			
			We're talking about a civic election! A civic election!
 
  
 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
			| The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to VladtheImpaler For This Useful Post: |  |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-01-2010, 03:05 PM | #11 |  
	| Norm! | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by Barnes  I don't know, I was asking. All i know (or at least think) is that by joining the armed forces there are additional responsibilities you take on under military law. Certain things in civil law must contradict military law were the later takes precedence??.......
 Maybe it's a US thing... I know that in the US, it is illegal for a commissioned officer to bad mouth the President.
 |  
Sure, but I never noticed a loss of my basic freedoms when I was in.  And to me the President is at the top of the command chain, bad mouthing him would be no different from you bad mouthing the CEO of the company you work for, it would probably get you fired.
		 
				__________________My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
 
 Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-01-2010, 04:26 PM | #12 |  
	| evil of fart | 
 
			
			The soldiers have the right to vote - nobody has taken that away. They chose to take a job that requires them to work out of town a fair amount and as such, they'll tend to miss a few things while they're gone. BFD
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-01-2010, 04:34 PM | #13 |  
	| Lifetime Suspension | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by csnarpy  who cares if it's insignificant. You have the right to vote. 
 I was posted in Germany for 3 years and voted Federally and Provincially while i was there.
 
 If a candidate wins by less than 50 votes. I'd be pissed that I didn't get mine in.
 |  
Who did you vote for in your ward for Alderman and School Trustee? Oh, you didn't? That's...kind of the point.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-01-2010, 04:57 PM | #14 |  
	| Powerplay Quarterback 
				 
				Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: East London      | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner  Exactly. Pretty statistically insignificant in a pretty meaningless election at a pretty useless level of government. |  
Although I don't have a problem with them not being allowed to vote as they are ineligible voters, I strongly disagree with your statement. Municipal government has, by far, the strongest impact on a person's day-to-day life.
		 
				__________________ “Such suburban models are being rationalized as ‘what people want,’ when in fact they are simply what is most expedient to produce. The truth is that what people want is a decent place to live, not just a suburban version of a decent place to live.” - Roberta Brandes Gratz
 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-02-2010, 01:14 AM | #15 |  
	| Franchise Player 
				 
				Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: east van      | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch  Like what? |  
Well they give up the right not to be shot at in some dusty craphole by some inbred goat shagging idiot.
  
They also give up the right to expect half decent kit to keep them alive while they are being shot at.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-02-2010, 02:41 AM | #16 |  
	| Norm! | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by afc wimbledon  Well they give up the right not to be shot at in some dusty craphole by some inbred goat shagging idiot.
 They also give up the right to expect half decent kit to keep them alive while they are being shot at.
 |  
You know, the whole time that I was in, I never thought about it like that.  But if I did, then chances are those thoughts would become reality.
 
We learned to make due.
		 
				__________________My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
 
 Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-06-2010, 09:28 PM | #17 |  
	| First Line Centre 
				 
				Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Locked in the Trunk of a Car      | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner  Who did you vote for in your ward for Alderman and School Trustee? Oh, you didn't? That's...kind of the point. |  
Sorry, no election happened for the town of Canmore while i was there.  But my point still stands.  All military members have the right to vote.  I certainly don't care if they do or not but it's their option.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-06-2010, 10:16 PM | #18 |  
	| NOT breaking news 
				 
				Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Calgary      | 
 
			
			So military is no different then any other job in this case, if any of us had worked outside of Calgary for 6 months no matter what job it was then we wouldn't be allowed to vote either.
 Should an exception be made?
 
				__________________ 
				Watching the Oilers defend is like watching fire engines frantically rushing to the wrong fire
   |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-06-2010, 10:20 PM | #19 |  
	| Franchise Player 
				 
				Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NYYC      | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by GirlySports  So military is no different then any other job in this case, if any of us had worked outside of Calgary for 6 months no matter what job it was then we wouldn't be allowed to vote either.
 Should an exception be made?
 |  
Considering what these people risk for us, yeah, maybe we should take a little extra care.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  10-06-2010, 11:32 PM | #20 |  
	| Franchise Player 
				 
				Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moscow, ID      | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by GirlySports  So military is no different then any other job in this case, if any of us had worked outside of Calgary for 6 months no matter what job it was then we wouldn't be allowed to vote either.
 Should an exception be made?
 |  
Nah. **** em.
		 
				__________________As you can see, I'm completely ridiculous.
 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
	
	| 
	|  Posting Rules |  
	| 
		
		You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts 
 HTML code is Off 
 |  |  |  All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:42 PM. | 
 
 
 |