Anti McD's Ad

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by MJK

The point was that there was no veggies or fruit available to them yet they managed to survive for a very long time. There was no choice. There was no requirement because it was all they had!

Yes, but it's irrelevant for most of us. Sure, any of us can eat healthy and eat meat, but eating all meat would terrible for most of our bodies. Whether you eat some meat or not, it's pretty clear that the best diet is low in red meats and high in fruit and vegetables. At least for a large portion of the population.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Cheese

The problem with your suggestion is "most" meat eaters, or those who think that a balanced diet is equal, do not eat meat or other bad foods in moderation. Ive been to many BBQs or Dinners and eagerly watched my carnivore friends as they seared their fave pieces of meat over the coals. They suggest that to eat meat moderately your serving of meat should be no more than the size of one of your palms. Ive seen TBones, Burgers, Pork tenderloin pieces that would make a horse gag, yet these people consume them and go back for seconds, not to mention the fully loaded potatoes, salads covered in thousand island dressing etc. Hang out at a McDs or Wendys for awhile....watch what people eat, ther is no moderation in a giant burger, large fries and a large sugar filled pop.

Yet if I over eat veggies does it do me any harm?

This world would be far less diet crazed if everyone ate in "moderation" as you suggest....or better, vegetarian.

Oh one more thing...just because "I think" the world would be better off as a Veggie..doesnt mean Im advocating it or pushing it on my meat eater friends. I could care less what you eat, yet whenever I go out somewhere the carnivores are always trying to get me to eat meat of some kind.
Overall I feel FAR healthier and have far more energy than at anytime I was a meat eater.

You're confusing eating meat in your diet with eating poor, fatty foods excessively. One does not necessarily equate the other and that's where your argument falls through. Is it possible that vegetarians have a healthier diet than the majority of those that eat meat in North America? Probably, but somehow, in your mind, you seem to have turned that in meaning that a vegetarian diet is the healthiest diet.

[Temporary_User]

The two fattest girls I know are vegetarian.
Add one more vegetarian I know to that list, and you have the 3 biggest bitches I know. Correlation, or causation?
To clarify, i know a lot of vegetarians, and most fall into the normal category with respect to weight and the bitchyness factor.

Cheese your assertion that a vegetarian diet is healthier than a regular one and that vegetarians live a longer life than normal people is founded without fact and simply ludicrous.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

The two fattest girls I know are vegetarian.
Add one more vegetarian I know to that list, and you have the 3 biggest bitches I know. Correlation, or causation?
To clarify, i know a lot of vegetarians, and most fall into the normal category with respect to weight and the bitchyness factor.

Cheese your assertion that a vegetarian diet is healthier than a regular one and that vegetarians live a longer life than normal people is founded without fact and simply ludicrous.

I already responded to the fat vegetarian question before, so I wont repeat myself.
The fact that a Veg diet is better than what the vast majority of western civilization considers a good diet is more than sound in nature and has been backed up with many studies.

[Temporary_User]

Originally Posted by Cheese

I already responded to the fat vegetarian question before, so I wont repeat myself.
The fact that a Veg diet is better than what the vast majority of western civilization considers a good diet is more than sound in nature and has been backed up with many studies.

If that is a fact? Please prove it.
My empirical research shows otherwise.
I would say a veg (no idea why you capitalize Veg; any link to your religion threads?) diet on average is no better and no worse than what the majority of western civilization considers a good diet.
What all of these people choose to eat is another story.

No one honestly believes that eating at McD's is part of a nutritious diet. I would argue that the majority of people who eat there regularly do so for other reasons (speed & cost being among the top reasons).
Also no one honestly believes that eating an entire tub of popcorn is part of a nutritious diet. This vegetarian option, is something my vegetarian friends enjoy on a regular basis (maybe similar to your friends who enjoy McD's on a regular basis).

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

The two fattest girls I know are vegetarian.
Add one more vegetarian I know to that list, and you have the 3 biggest bitches I know. Correlation, or causation?
To clarify, i know a lot of vegetarians, and most fall into the normal category with respect to weight and the bitchyness factor.

Cheese your assertion that a vegetarian diet is healthier than a regular one and that vegetarians live a longer life than normal people is founded without fact and simply ludicrous.

Vegetarians can still have a 2 liter soda, bag o chips and a 2 candy bar Friday night.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

If that is a fact? Please prove it.
My empirical research shows otherwise.
I would say a veg (no idea why you capitalize Veg; any link to your religion threads?) diet on average is no better and no worse than what the majority of western civilization considers a good diet.
What all of these people choose to eat is another story.

No one honestly believes that eating at McD's is part of a nutritious diet. I would argue that the majority of people who eat there regularly do so for other reasons (speed & cost being among the top reasons).
Also no one honestly believes that eating an entire tub of popcorn is part of a nutritious diet. This vegetarian option, is something my vegetarian friends enjoy on a regular basis (maybe similar to your friends who enjoy McD's on a regular basis).

Seriously? I cant take anything you say seriously after a comment like that.
Left field and wayyyyyyyy out of bounds.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

If that is a fact? Please prove it.
My empirical research shows otherwise.
I would say a veg (no idea why you capitalize Veg; any link to your religion threads?) diet on average is no better and no worse than what the majority of western civilization considers a good diet.
What all of these people choose to eat is another story.

No one honestly believes that eating at McD's is part of a nutritious diet. I would argue that the majority of people who eat there regularly do so for other reasons (speed & cost being among the top reasons).
Also no one honestly believes that eating an entire tub of popcorn is part of a nutritious diet. This vegetarian option, is something my vegetarian friends enjoy on a regular basis (maybe similar to your friends who enjoy McD's on a regular basis).

shouldnt you show your "empirical research" LOL.

Here...pick a study...
http://www.thevegetariansite.com/diet_stud.htm
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11310.php
http://www.vegetarian-nutrition.info...h_benefits.php
http://www.wisegeek.com/has-it-been-...-healthier.htm

Of course you can turn around and pick any number of studies funded by the meat industry or simply blame it on the fact Im an atheist?

[Shazam]

It's pretty damn hard to overeat as a vegetarian. The vast majority of vegetables are not calorically dense. Assuming that a vegetarian eats mostly vegetables, they'll feel satiated most of the time and have little room for junk food.

I was a vegetarian for a while due to stomach problems; I liked it because my poos never smelt and they came out super easy.

[Devils'Advocate]

As I stated in my linked message, it was very very very easy to overeat as a vegetarian. I ballooned to 340 pounds on pizza, pasta and peanut butter. Vegetarians don't just eat vegetables.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

As I stated in my linked message, it was very very very easy to overeat as a vegetarian. I ballooned to 340 pounds on pizza, pasta and peanut butter. Vegetarians don't just eat vegetables.

Assuming that a vegetarian eats mostly vegetables.

If they east mostly pizza, they're an Italianarian.

[trew]

Originally Posted by Cheese

shouldnt you show your "empirical research" LOL.

Here...pick a study...
http://www.thevegetariansite.com/diet_stud.htm
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11310.php
http://www.vegetarian-nutrition.info...h_benefits.php
http://www.wisegeek.com/has-it-been-...-healthier.htm

Of course you can turn around and pick any number of studies funded by the meat industry or simply blame it on the fact Im an atheist?

Vegetarians eat no red meat or high-salt, processed meats. In general, they consume a larger amount and variety of vegatables when compared to non-vegetarians. They may also be more generally conscious of nutrition. All of this probably makes your typical vegetarian's diet a healthier one than your typical non-vegetarian. I'd be suprised if a study contradicted this in its findings.

However, moral or philosophical leanings on vegetarianism aside, a complete nutritional diet can include regular servings of white meat, fish, and eggs. This diet will be no worse, and very possibly nutritionally superior to a diet that can be arranged within vegetarian limits. It is also a diet that would be adopted by a wider base of population for reasons of taste, convienience, and habit.

Lastly, if you eat out or consume quick prepared convienience foods regularly, this will trump anything else you do in your diet in terms of health effects (vegetarian or not). Fried, over salted, over sized, rich, high calorie offerings are the norm, not the exception in most restaurants and processed convienience foods.

I think this problem surpasses the "meat" issue in social nutrition impact by a fair margin. Consumers have too many bad choices, and not enough good ones when it comes to convienient and inexpensive food.

[Kybosh]

I can appreciate the vegetarian lifestyle but please don't cram it down my throat. I've tried to cut back on my meat intake in the past but I found that various forms of non-meat protein do not work for me. I participate in some pretty strenuous activities and have found that before/during/after a hard work-out, a vegetarian meal just doesn't cut it. I need the extra protein to help me keep up and recover during and after work-outs. I have, however, significantly cut out red meat. I'm also coming to the realization that I might have a gluten intolerance, which might kill a lot of vegetarians I know.

[Temporary_User]

Originally Posted by Cheese

shouldnt you show your "empirical research" LOL.

Here...pick a study...
http://www.thevegetariansite.com/diet_stud.htm
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11310.php
http://www.vegetarian-nutrition.info...h_benefits.php
http://www.wisegeek.com/has-it-been-...-healthier.htm

Of course you can turn around and pick any number of studies funded by the meat industry or simply blame it on the fact Im an atheist?

Originally Posted by Cheese

The fact that a Veg diet is better than what the vast majority of western civilization considers a good diet is more than sound in nature and has been backed up with many studies.

None of those links point back to what "the vast majority of western civilization considers a good diet", and thus none of them show that a vegetarian diet is better than what the majority consider a healthy diet.
Do you even know what you are arguing?
Those links show that on average a vegetarian diet is healthier than one a meat eater has. I stated that many meat-eaters and vegetarians eat unhealthily, and it is not because they are not knowledgeable about what they should be eating.
I would say most people know what they should be eating, and simply a higher percentage of vegetarians actually follow this because they have to simply because their diet is restrictive and is more prone to being not as nutritional.

Do you really need me to do an internet search to show you how vegetarians are more likely to miss out or not get enough of their daily protein & vitamins?

I did outline my empirical research. The two fattest (which I classify as being unhealthy) people I know are vegetarians.
The healthiest eats meat.

I don't need to show you any studies funded by the meat industry. Your links of "thevegetariansite" "vegetarian-nutrition" do really show non-bias.
Thanks for you medicalnewstoday.com link though, as that was really informative. It didn't have that much to do with being vegetarian, it more so had to do that they switched to a low-fat diet.

The fact is, a healthy diet is the best option whether it be a meat filled one or a vegetarian one.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by trew

Man I can't agree more with this post. This is a food industry problem, and not just fast food problem. Your average meal at any restaurant is pretty bad, and the sit down restaurants are often bigger culprits than fast food, even when picking seemingly reasonable choices.

For example:

Grilled Chicken Clubhouse + Field Greens at Earls (970 Calories) > Quarter Pounder With Cheese + Medium Fries at McDonalds (890 Calories)

Why are calories your metric for "healthy" food?


Take two meals:

1) Big Mac, Medium Fries, large Diet Coke

2) Grilled Salmon fillet, rice, sauteed vegetables, glass of wine

The second meal is going to have more calories than the first, but I don't think there's any question that they're not even in the same universe in terms of how healthy they are for you.

Not that I disagree that a lot of chain restaurants have a bunch of crap in their food as well, and I'm certainly not anti fast food, but people need to look beyond calorie counts. Fast food is bad for you because the calories are almost completely empty.

That said, fast food isn't the problem since most people don't eat it all that often. The real problem is processed food in general that people keep eating whether it be fast food, frozen entrees, or any prepackaged and pre-prepared food that people put in their bodies day after day.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

I can appreciate the vegetarian lifestyle but please don't cram it down my throat. I've tried to cut back on my meat intake in the past but I found that various forms of non-meat protein do not work for me. I participate in some pretty strenuous activities and have found that before/during/after a hard work-out, a vegetarian meal just doesn't cut it. I need the extra protein to help me keep up and recover during and after work-outs. I have, however, significantly cut out red meat. I'm also coming to the realization that I might have a gluten intolerance, which might kill a lot of vegetarians I know.

I dont know any vegetarians who cram their choice down anyones throat. If someone starts spouting off that eating red meat or eating fast food of any kind is just as good for you, well.....ill have that discussion anyday.
As far as the protein issue goes, there are all kinds of protein powders/shakes out there that seem to cut it for me post workout...but Im not looking to build muscle mass.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

None of those links point back to what "the vast majority of western civilization considers a good diet", and thus none of them show that a vegetarian diet is better than what the majority consider a healthy diet.
Do you even know what you are arguing?
Those links show that on average a vegetarian diet is healthier than one a meat eater has. I stated that many meat-eaters and vegetarians eat unhealthily, and it is not because they are not knowledgeable about what they should be eating.
I would say most people know what they should be eating, and simply a higher percentage of vegetarians actually follow this because they have to simply because their diet is restrictive and is more prone to being not as nutritional.

Do you really need me to do an internet search to show you how vegetarians are more likely to miss out or not get enough of their daily protein & vitamins?

I did outline my empirical research. The two fattest (which I classify as being unhealthy) people I know are vegetarians.
The healthiest eats meat.

I don't need to show you any studies funded by the meat industry. Your links of "thevegetariansite" "vegetarian-nutrition" do really show non-bias.
Thanks for you medicalnewstoday.com link though, as that was really informative. It didn't have that much to do with being vegetarian, it more so had to do that they switched to a low-fat diet.

The fact is, a healthy diet is the best option whether it be a meat filled one or a vegetarian one.

Thanks...that is what the average North American eats on a daily basis.
If youve been paying attention to what Ive been saying, I also said that IF someone eats a balanced diet, then they likely will be ok...but the % of people out there that actually eat that way...bottom 10% maybe?

[kevman]

Originally Posted by Cheese

As far as the protein issue goes, there are all kinds of protein powders/shakes out there that seem to cut it for me post workout...but Im not looking to build muscle mass.

What other supplements do you take?

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by kevman

What other supplements do you take?

B12 and D...thats it.

I do try and eat as balanced a meal as possible...legumes, a grain of some type and veggies. The one thing I have changed is a move away from the 3 square meals to 4 or 5 smaller meals. That tends to keep me feeling energized all the time.
A nice fruit smoothie with protein powder after the workout seems to really help me out, and at times Ill eat an apple with PB as well. We also have a decent Juicer that gets significant use...

[HeartsOfFire]

Free country, freedom of expression.

I think they have every right to post this ad, and could legally suffer no backlash from it. McDonald's main food items are well known to be high calorie, high fat, and high cholesterol. They can't sue for defamation because the fact of the matter is their food is not the healthiest available.

The ad walks a fine line though. Eating McDonald's food obviously won't kill you, but overconsumption of it runs the risk of an unhealthy diet, absolutely.

If anything the only thing McDonald's could conceivably do is find out what stations are broadcasting the odd, and pull all their advertising in protest.