Anti McD's Ad

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Ark2

I reckon we could probably handle raw meat if we ate it right after we killed it.

Care to test this for science?
I don't know where exactly but I'm sure we can find a place that sells live chickens...

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Cheese

The Comparative anatomy of Eating

Humans are Omnivores:
http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm

"The following information is taken from The New York Times, May 15, 1979. According to Dr. Alan Walker, a Johns Hopkins University anthropologist, Homo Erectus, the species immediately ancestorial to our own Homo Sapiens, had evidence of an omnivorous diet. Every Homo-Erectus tooth found was that of an omnivore. However, a small sample of teeth from the human-like species during a 12 million year period leading up to the Homo-Erectus period, indicates the earlier species may have been a fruit eater. Even if this species, way before our own, lived on a fruit diet, they probably would not have consumed what we consider typical fruits. Hundreds of plants produce fruits that are tougher, more substantial foods than what we eat today."

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Actually Japanese have the closest thing to a Veggie diet going. The meat they eat is usually fish and they have very little use of Oils in their cooking. Oh and I dont make up my own facts...I actually study them.

...the average Japanese person eats about 25% fewer calories per day than the average American, which could partly explain their lengthy lifespan. Eating just 8% fewer calories per day, while moderately increasing your activity level, may be enough to promote longer life, research from the University of Florida College of Medicine suggests. And cutting calories doesn't have to be painful. The secret is to replace energy-dense foods (those containing a higher number of calories per gram), like chocolate, potato chips, and cookies, with those that are less energy-dense, like fruits, vegetables, and broth-based soups (all, not coincidentally, a daily part of the Japanese diet). In a study from Pennsylvania State University, researchers served women meals that were 25% smaller than average and contained 30% fewer calories according to the principles of energy density. They ended up eating an average of 800 calories less per day -- all without even missing the extra food.

Veggie delight. " Japan is kind of a vegetable-crazed nation," Moriyama says. When Japanese women were asked which home-cooked meals they most loved to prepare for their families, "mixed vegetables simmered in seasoned broth" received the highest ranking. Red bell peppers, green beans, zucchini, eggplant, onions, burdock, tomatoes, green peppers, lettuce, carrots, spinach, bamboo shoots, beets, lotus root, turnips, daikon (or giant white radish), ake mushrooms, sweet potatoes, and seaweed (or sea vegetables), such as kombu, nori, and wakame all have a place in the Japanese diet.
As many as four or five different varieties are served in a single meal -- and no one thinks it odd to have vegetable soup or a salad for breakfast. Veggies are served simmered in seasoned broth, stir-fried in a small bit of canola oil, or lightly steamed -- all methods that maintain a maximum amount of nutrients.

Nowhere in there did I read that they have a diet closely related to vegetarians, they eat less calories - agree, they eat healthier (no junk food) - agree, don't eat meat - didn't see that.

You study facts but maybe have trouble drawing conclusions from them?

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Humans are Omnivores:
http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm

"The following information is taken from The New York Times, May 15, 1979. According to Dr. Alan Walker, a Johns Hopkins University anthropologist, Homo Erectus, the species immediately ancestorial to our own Homo Sapiens, had evidence of an omnivorous diet. Every Homo-Erectus tooth found was that of an omnivore. However, a small sample of teeth from the human-like species during a 12 million year period leading up to the Homo-Erectus period, indicates the earlier species may have been a fruit eater. Even if this species, way before our own, lived on a fruit diet, they probably would not have consumed what we consider typical fruits. Hundreds of plants produce fruits that are tougher, more substantial foods than what we eat today."

Yes, people can eat animals, we can also eat paper, that doesn't mean that it's healthy.
A 1979 article...really?

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Nowhere in there did I read that they have a diet closely related to vegetarians, they eat less calories - agree, they eat healthier (no junk food) - agree, don't eat meat - didn't see that.

You study facts but maybe have trouble drawing conclusions from them?

and you dont read everything I post? I also mentioned they eat fish as their meat choice...very rarely eat any of western societies meats...

Veggie delight. " Japan is kind of a vegetable-crazed nation," Moriyama says. When Japanese women were asked which home-cooked meals they most loved to prepare for their families, "mixed vegetables simmered in seasoned broth" received the highest ranking. Red bell peppers, green beans, zucchini, eggplant, onions, burdock, tomatoes, green peppers, lettuce, carrots, spinach, bamboo shoots, beets, lotus root, turnips, daikon (or giant white radish), ake mushrooms, sweet potatoes, and seaweed (or sea vegetables), such as kombu, nori, and wakame all have a place in the Japanese diet.
As many as four or five different varieties are served in a single meal -- and no one thinks it odd to have vegetable soup or a salad for breakfast. Veggies are served simmered in seasoned broth, stir-fried in a small bit of canola oil, or lightly steamed -- all methods that maintain a maximum amount of nutrients.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Cheese

and you dont read everything I post? I also mentioned they eat fish as their meat choice...very rarely eat any of western societies meats...

Veggie delight. " Japan is kind of a vegetable-crazed nation," Moriyama says. When Japanese women were asked which home-cooked meals they most loved to prepare for their families, "mixed vegetables simmered in seasoned broth" received the highest ranking. Red bell peppers, green beans, zucchini, eggplant, onions, burdock, tomatoes, green peppers, lettuce, carrots, spinach, bamboo shoots, beets, lotus root, turnips, daikon (or giant white radish), ake mushrooms, sweet potatoes, and seaweed (or sea vegetables), such as kombu, nori, and wakame all have a place in the Japanese diet.
As many as four or five different varieties are served in a single meal -- and no one thinks it odd to have vegetable soup or a salad for breakfast. Veggies are served simmered in seasoned broth, stir-fried in a small bit of canola oil, or lightly steamed -- all methods that maintain a maximum amount of nutrients.

Last time I checked fish was not a vegetable.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Last time I checked fish was not a vegetable.

Most vegetarians eat fish. They are actually referred to as Pescatarians. Vegans eat no meat or meat products.
None of this has anything to do with the point....Japanese live longer because of all the races their diet is closest to Vegetarian...by far.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Doesn't Kobe Beef come from Japan? Teriyaki?

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Doesn't Kobe Beef come from Japan? Teriyaki?

I didnt say that they didnt eat red meat..I said the Japanese diet is the closest there is to Vegetarian.
The diet of the Japanese contains fish, very little red meat, and a lot of fruits and vegetables. These things have been proven to contribute to longevity.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I've become much healthier by adopting a diet based primarily on fruits and vegetables, with minimal grain, meat and dairy products. It becomes a bit of a challenge during winter months, with both the increased price and lower quality of fresh produce.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Most vegetarians eat fish. They are actually referred to as Pescatarians. Vegans eat no meat or meat products.
None of this has anything to do with the point....Japanese live longer because of all the races their diet is closest to Vegetarian...by far.

You know I was just going to drop it but then you make statements like this. I know a lot of vegetarians and none of them eat fish.

http://www.vegsoc.org/fish/

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

You know I was just going to drop it but then you make statements like this. I know a lot of vegetarians and none of them eat fish.

http://www.vegsoc.org/fish/

and I dont either...but many do. As I mentioned they are referred to as Pescatarians.

http://vegetarian.about.com/od/gloss...escatarian.htm

Occasionally used to describe those who abstain from eating all meat and animal flesh with the exception of fish. Although the word is not commonly used and a pescatarian is not technically a vegetarian, more and more people are adopting this kind of diet, usually for health reasons or as a stepping stone to a fully vegetarian diet. Pescetarians often believe that moderate consumption of fish or fish oils, which are high in Omega-3 fatty acids, is necessary for optimum health, although vegetarian alternatives, such as flax seed oil, are available.

[oilyfan]

So it went from most vegetarians eat fish to many do and the fact that Pescetarians are not technically defined as vegetarians doesn't bother you?

Nevermind dont answer that I give up, I am out.

[MJK]

That ad isn't taking aim at fast food in general IMO, it is directed at meat eaters. "Tonight, make it vegetarian". That's a strange message if you wanted to attack the fast food, high fat food joints.

To me they are saying eating meat is BAD and are just using McDicks as their target because when someone thinks of meat they usually think hamburger. Hamburger = McDicks.

[MJK]

The Inuit survived on a majority meat diet for thousands of years. There are no farms, no fresh veggies, no fruit trees. They ate meat, cooked and raw, and survived.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by MJK

That ad isn't taking aim at fast food in general IMO, it is directed at meat eaters. "Tonight, make it vegetarian". That's a strange message if you wanted to attack the fast food, high fat food joints.

To me they are saying eating meat is BAD and are just using McDicks as their target because when someone thinks of meat they usually think hamburger. Hamburger = McDicks.

Absolutely.

The McDonald's Corporation fought tooth and nail for their dominant market position and their iconic status. Criticism comes with the territory.

[MJK]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Absolutely.

The McDonald's Corporation fought tooth and nail for their dominant market position and their iconic status. Criticism comes with the territory.

I hate McDicks as much as anyone and I personally don't eat there. But the ad is a bit of a joke when all you do is attack meat eaters by associating them with McDonalds.

Just from my standpoint.

BTW, this is coming from someone who hunts regularly to provide food for my family.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by MJK

I hate McDicks as much as anyone and I personally don't eat there. But the ad is a bit of a joke when all you do is attack meat eaters by associating them with McDonalds.

Boo hoo. They have to live with their hard-fought iconic status.

[MJK]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Boo hoo. They have to live with their hard-fought iconic status.

They ad was perfect until they added "go vegetarian" part at the end.

Maybe I am reading too much into it!

Quick question for ya: Would you eat a veggie salad from McDicks?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by MJK

They ad was perfect until they added "go vegetarian" part at the end.

Maybe I am reading too much into it!

Quick question for ya: Would you eat a veggie salad from McDicks?

I have no reason to go to a McDonald's. I can prepare a better salad suited to my nutritional requirements. I've managed to avoid McDonald's for 30 years, I think I'm good the rest of the way.

I'm not sure why "Go Vegetarian" is a problematic theme. Not one I personally subscribe to, but that's well within that particular organization's right because they paid for the ad. The message is to "Tonight, Go Vegetarian." Sounds to be like that's not really radical stance. One night a week? It's a start. Hell, even the Catholic Church used to advocate it.

I think it's brilliant message. I'm not a PETA supporter, but I have to admit they are very adept at getting their message out and tweaking establishment.