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View Poll Results: If the election were held today, which Mayoral candidate would you vote for?
Kent Hehr 14 5.81%
Naheed Nenshi 144 59.75%
Barb Higgins 30 12.45%
Ric McIver 32 13.28%
Alnoor Kassam 1 0.41%
Bob Hawkesworth 4 1.66%
Wayne Stewart 2 0.83%
Bonnie Devine 2 0.83%
Craig Burrows 3 1.24%
Derek McKenzie 1 0.41%
Jon Lord 1 0.41%
Gary Johnston 1 0.41%
Greg Berdette 0 0%
Joe Connelly 0 0%
Lawrence Oshanek 1 0.41%
Oscar Fech 2 0.83%
Paul Hughes 3 1.24%
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Old 09-13-2010, 07:03 PM   #221
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I think I ended up getting so riled because Dion wants Farrell fired over this, and I find it unbelievably ######ed that someone from High fricken River wants a Calgary alderman fired over something that had no negative consequences.
It's retarted to voice an opinion? Take a chill pill or something.
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Old 09-13-2010, 07:23 PM   #222
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It's retarted to voice an opinion? Take a chill pill or something.
Alright, I took my chill pill. I still think it's ######ed that your only beef with Farrell is the BRF, and you think she should lose her job over it.
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Well I'm glad that you live in High River and not in ward 7. I hope the people that actually live in ward 7 are a little more informed about their alderman, and either re-hire her, or fire her accordingly.
I'm glad that you approve of me living in High River. The pace of life is way slower and we don't have deal with the idiot drivers always in a hurry to get somewhere fast or the constant traffic congestion. Wish I had made the move sooner.
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Lol. You had no reply, so you went digging through the thread for an older post to reply to?

Ok, I guess we're done here.
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Maybe to re-rail the thread, I saw Bob Hawkesworth's billboard on Bow Tr. today. Awesome. He's got his arms crossed, he's all angry, and it says (just for you, kermit) "Say no to the $500m tunnel!!".
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^ Sure, and that is all great. My point isn't that he isn't worth voting for or doesn't have some good ideas. I'm just saying that Nenshi supporters talking about how unqualified Barb Higgins is are kind of like the pot and kettle.
LOL, you're comparing Nenshi to Higgins?

Nenshi: consultant for UN, GAP, teaches non-profit managment, wrote about city issues. Obviously knows and understands the issues.

Higgins: Reads the news. Obviously clueless.

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Has he [Nenshi] costed any of his ideas out yet? Not meant as a shot. No one else has either and I appreciate it's a double edged sword of having actually said more than anyone else. Since this is campaign HQ I figure someone here will know
Well he's costed out the airport tunnel. And he's done a much better job at costing it out than Hawkesworth has.

Really, not many of his policies actually carry major expenses for the city (the exception is improving public transit):

Better Idea #1: Allow secondary suites.
No major public expenditure.

Better Idea #2: Fix auditing process.
Requires aditional funding but could help reduce expenses.

Better Idea #3: Make Calgary more business friendly.
Specifies that the two business taxes would be combined (not reduced) and administrative red tape would be reduced. No major expenses.

Better Idea #4: Better access to the airport.
This one costs money. (~$150M, not ~$500M, Bob Hawkesworth.) But if you assume that the tunnel is not a matter of if but when, then building it now saves money. In addition to the cost of the tunnel, Nenshi proposes two new BRT routes. Transit fares will bring revenue but probably not enough to pay for the routes, at least not initially.

Better Idea #5: Better public transit.
Smart cards, GPS, more BRT. These all cost money. Increasing ridership will mitigate some of the cost. Without having a far too detailed platform (what routes? how often?) it makes no sense to quote a specific dollar figure.

Better Idea #6: Campaign finance reform.
Costs the city nothing.

Better Idea #7: Sustainable communities.
This one saves the city money. A lot of money. Gutting Plan-It (thanks McIver!) cost the city $2 BILLION. Subsidizing water infrastructure costs $10,000 per house.

Better Idea #8: Make city council transparent.
Yeah, webcasting city council meetings costs a bit of money, but not a huge amount. And hopefully, keeping council accountable would create some savings as well.

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I think Bankview. I think that you can bring a utility bill or something like that to prove your residence, but check that before you show up and waste your time!
You vote where you live... as far as I can tell you don't even need proof, you just sign an elector statement. You do need proof that you are Canadian, however.

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I still don't get why it [the Bow River Flow] wasn't in Kensington, where businesses would benefit the most from it.
It was explicitly intended to be non-commercial. The usual street fest vendors weren't there. Kensington already has Sun and Salsa.

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The thing is that the City of Calgary's transportation department doesn't care what the cause of the road closure application is, or if they do, it has little bearing on if the closure is granted or not.
If this is the case, then this is a problem because it allows people to close roads for the hell of it (as is, apparently, the case for the Bow River Flow). I'd also say that taking advantage of this impartiality to close roads for the hell of it, is a jerky thing to do. (And for the record, I live very close to the Bow River Flow, went to it, and don't own a car.)

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Lol. You had no reply, so you went digging through the thread for an older post to reply to?

Ok, I guess we're done here.
What's to reply too? You voiced an opinion about me and I decided to leave it at that.
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Maybe to re-rail the thread, I saw Bob Hawkesworth's billboard on Bow Tr. today. Awesome. He's got his arms crossed, he's all angry, and it says (just for you, kermit) "Say no to the $500m tunnel!!".
He's picked a weird issue to make his stand on. It seems most Calgarians (anecdotally speaking) want the tunnel - and Hawkesworth is basically choosing to die on that hill.

Not that he had much of a shot anyways.
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He's picked a weird issue to make his stand on. It seems most Calgarians (anecdotally speaking) want the tunnel - and Hawkesworth is basically choosing to die on that hill.

Not that he had much of a shot anyways.
What's even more puzzling about it is that he voted FOR the tunnel as a member of this past city council.

I'm not sure who or what has convinced him to change his mind. Maybe one of his campaign contributors. Maybe he sees it as a wedge issue where no one else is on the opposed side.
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What's even more puzzling about it is that he voted FOR the tunnel as a member of this past city council.

I'm not sure who or what has convinced him to change his mind. Maybe one of his campaign contributors. Maybe he sees it as a wedge issue where no one else is on the opposed side.
Its the only way he can differentiate himself. He's the crazy Sarah Palin of the race
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What's even more puzzling about it is that he voted FOR the tunnel as a member of this past city council.

I'm not sure who or what has convinced him to change his mind. Maybe one of his campaign contributors. Maybe he sees it as a wedge issue where no one else is on the opposed side.
I criticized Nenshi as a flip flopper for not disclosing his contibutors as soon as he indicated back in May. But make no bones about it Hawkesworth's flip flop is way more major in my eyes should he be considered a serious contender for mayor. I just didn't get riled up about it because I didn't think I needed to concern myself with the ramblings of an alsoran candidate. I think what happened with Nenshi is that he made the promise and then realized what a strategical error it would have been to disclose so early on in the process (I still think that if he was going to get on his moral high horse and make that promise he should have delivered and delivered in the timeframe he indicated). Hawkesworth on the other hand is just positioning himself on the other side of an issue. The ultimate spineless politician move.
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Donation from OSAMA BIN LADEN !!!!!
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I am failing to see why this donor thing is so important. Even when developer fluffing Bronco would disclose after the election, no one really gave a crap.

What could Nenshi have on his donor list that could hurt him? I don't get it.

$2000 donation from Homes By Shabi. Who cares.
This. It's not important. If he chooses to not disclose his donor list, that's his mantra. I'm voting for what he believes in, not based on where he gets his money. People make too big deals out of donor lists, when they should be focusing on the candidates' message.
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Probably tons of donations from Persian Gulf Kings and Sheiks. I heard they want to make Calgary the artic capital of the new Islamic Caliphate.
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With the $5k cap, I can see him going out of his way to not disclose his list of donors. As mentioned, $5k is nothing, even if its coming from Developers.



On a related evil note, couldn't the developers derail his campaign by all donating lots of money to him? Once he releases his donor list, people would think he's under the arm of the developers....
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I am failing to see why this donor thing is so important. Even when developer fluffing Bronco would disclose after the election, no one really gave a crap.

What could Nenshi have on his donor list that could hurt him? I don't get it.

$2000 donation from Homes By Shabi. Who cares.
The reason its an issue is because he said that it would be released, and now hasn't released it. Kent Hehr said from day one that he would release it and has.

If you're wondering about why its important, then you should ask Nenshi yourself! It was his policy to begin with.
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The reason its an issue is because he said that it would be released, and now hasn't released it. Kent Hehr said from day one that he would release it and has.

If you're wondering about why its important, then you should ask Nenshi yourself! It was his policy to begin with.
Exactly. It's an issue because he made it an issue and then failed to deliver on his promise. If that's how he treats his other promises then I don't really care that he has 'Better Ideas.'
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I was wondering why he wouldn't release it if it doesn't matter.

Hesla does have a point though, the highly sought and large, racist, senior vote might not like a lot of 'foreign sounding' names on his donor list.
Do you think anyone who would vote as a "racist senior" is likely to vote for a person named Naheed Nenshi to begin with?
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Exactly. It's an issue because he made it an issue and then failed to deliver on his promise. If that's how he treats his other promises then I don't really care that he has 'Better Ideas.'
Not me.

His policies are much more articulated than anyone else's at this point, so it's not hard to see past the whole donor thing. In four years, no one is going to look back on it and even remember it.

More importantly, Nenshi has a real passion for politics and city management. And he connects with the younger generations like no one else (maybe Kent Hehr too). I haven't seen that same passions in any other candidate and it counts in my books.

Any candidate who wins this election has to be working for the young people just as much as the older ones. This is where the Ric McIver's of the race fails.
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A quick question to everyone who is talking about Naheed not releasing his donor list yet. If he were to release it around the 20th or just after nomination day will that change your mind? Or have you already writen him off because he didn't release it earlier?

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