Your response demonstrates one thing to me pretty clearly, you are not the least bit capable of forming your own opinion or response to an issue or question.
You specifically claimed that non-Christian forces trashed modernity. That statement is not historically accurate given that a non-Christian group (Islam) saved most of what we currently know of Greek and Roman knowledge and made significant scientific advances while the West was going through the Dark Ages after the fall of Rome.
Other than China...what advances? Islam took the advances of the people they conquered. They maintained the advances of Rome...which the Crusaders (re)-learned and brought back. Did you even watch the videos? Of course not. Islam's advances in technology were over 500 years.
Which brings me back to my point. After 1200 CA they have added NOTHING to science, freedom, human rights, music, architectures nor literature. NOTHING
Hoz has a point about Islam and science after 1200, although 'nothing' is far from the truth but as far as science is concerned you'd be pretty safe to say Islam has been in a dark age in regards to science after being the pillars of science pre 1200.
Your response demonstrates one thing to me pretty clearly, you are not the least bit capable of forming your own opinion or response to an issue or question.
Right back at you wonder boy....
Your response demonstrates one thing to me pretty clearly, you are not the least bit capable of forming your own opinion or response to an issue or question.
Your response demonstrates one thing to me pretty clearly, you are not the least bit capable of forming your own opinion or response to an issue or question.
I see what you did there, clever.
I've posed several questions to you, you haven't answered a single one. Not even with a video.
Other than China...what advances? Islam took the advances of the people they conquered. They maintained the advances of Rome...which the Crusaders (re)-learned and brought back. Did you even watch the videos? Of course not. Islam's advances in technology were over 500 years.
Which brings me back to my point. After 1200 CA they have added NOTHING to science, freedom, human rights, music, architectures nor literature. NOTHING
Which brings me back to my point. After 1200 CA they have added NOTHING to science, freedom, human rights, music, architectures nor literature. NOTHING
It's quite silly to be so unequivocal.
There are countless examples that I can give, but I won't because it is rather clear your ultimate intention is to generate a side by side checklist of the religions so that you can declare your own winner.
Enjoy HOZ. You've managed to drag a discussion down to an ugly, tribalist place.
Haven't you read history yet??? It's all at that link!
We're not sure where history was before the internet, but now it's all at that link! looser!
So I guess I need to find evidence that religion has slowed down the progression of science by providing groups that advanced without religion.
Seeing that religion ran the show that would be difficult and that is entirely my point that Hoz cant grasp. If religion wasnt around I think we would have advanced faster.
I guess one example would be the US constitution and religion not being as oppressive as it was in the past and whaddya know we have exploded technologicaly in comparision. I hope that counts in Hoz's world.
My point is we would be much further along if religion didnt exist but Hoz cant wrap his head around that concept. It is only an opinion because that world did not exist. But there are endless examples of how religion has stalled science and that world does exist.
Also for those interested in a quick, yet very informative read about the decline of Islam in regards to modernity, check out Bernard Lewis' Essay on this and his book which is excellent.
OK....provide examples of Islamic advancements in literature, architecture, science, freedom, human rights, etc... after 1200CA
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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.
It's quite silly to be so unequivocal.
There are countless examples that I can give, but I won't because it is rather clear your ultimate intention is to generate a side by side checklist of the religions so that you can declare your own winner.
Enjoy HOZ. You've managed to drag a discussion down to an ugly, tribalist place.
No I have brutally laid down the facts and some people really have a tough time looking the facts in the eye. That would be your side.
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Originally Posted by SeeBass
So I guess I need to find evidence that religion has slowed down the progression of science by providing groups that advanced without religion.
Seeing that religion ran the show that would be difficult and that is entirely my point that Hoz cant grasp. If religion wasnt around I think we would have advanced faster.
I guess one example would be the US constitution and religion not being as oppressive as it was in the past and whaddya know we have exploded technologicaly in comparision. I hope that counts in Hoz's world.
My point is we would be much further along if religion didnt exist but Hoz cant wrap his head around that concept. It is only an opinion because that world did not exist. But there are endless examples of how religion has stalled science and that world does exist.
How can you have a hypothesis without evidence there MR. Science? Without evidence your hypothesis is just an amateurish guess. Don't talk about endless examples....provide the evidence
Other than China...what advances? Islam took the advances of the people they conquered. They maintained the advances of Rome...which the Crusaders (re)-learned and brought back. Did you even watch the videos? Of course not. Islam's advances in technology were over 500 years.
Which brings me back to my point. After 1200 CA they have added NOTHING to science, freedom, human rights, music, architectures nor literature. NOTHING
Assuming this is true.... so? This means we should burn the Koran? This gives us justification for hating them? What is the point of this diatribe exactly?
OK....provide examples of Islamic advancements in literature, architecture, science, freedom, human rights, etc... after 1200CA
No I have brutally laid down the facts and some people really have a tough time looking the facts in the eye. That would be your side.
How can you have a hypothesis without evidence there MR. Science? Without evidence your hypothesis is just an amateurish guess. Don't talk about endless examples....provide the evidence
Provide your evidence!!!
You have NONE!
You called it an "hypothesis" as you can see I used quotation marks on my earlier post to quote you. you lept to call it a "hypothesis" to suit your needs just as you chose to change my stating of religion to "I just meant Christianity"
If you go back to my earlier post a week or so ago. I aways stressed it was my opinion -always did -even called it "IMHO". If a forum is not allowed for opinions then it is an empty one.
Do you use the same measuring stick when you justify your belief in God? "Provide Your Evidence!!!" If not iit must be some "amateurish quess"
You ignore what you want, fail to answer what you wish, change statements to fit your arguement and call people liars and loosers if they call you on it. You have been called out on it more than once, but it presists.
This is hardly a discussion of open thought but a person on a rant.
