Girl Attacked in Calgary Schoolyard or Kids will be Kids?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

absolutely not serious.

Rather than the piano, they should learn the trombone.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Old Yeller

and when I have kids, especially a girl, I'll be following along 100 metres behind her with a shotgun at all times.

It may impact her social life slightly but jesus christ "kids these days".

So that’s a bit of an upgrade from helicopter parenting. Do we call that gunship parenting?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Rather than the piano, they should learn the trombone.

As an aside, my mom was old fashioned strict.
I would get yelled at for running down the stairs. Not ladylike!

[Boblobla]

I figured there would be more to this bizarre story. For all we know they could be just over 2 years between these 2 kids. I realize it is still illegal but if he just turned 16 and she is almost 13...

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

but if he just turned 16 and she is almost 13...

Call me old fashioned but I don't think a 16 year old boy should be banging a 12 year old girl, (apparently screaming) in a school yard park during the day with a audience.

[Kjesse]

16 and 12 means a MINIMUM age difference of 3 years any way you count it.

It still counts as rape even with the girl's consent, but you have to consider that while the male 16 year old should have known better and deserves more punishment than he will actually get, the girl agreeing to have sex in front of her and his friends in a school yard is pretty sad.

[narbeZ]

One less harmful example of the bystander effect is when your in the cinema, and your picture/sound cuts out, I guarantee 90% of people won't do anything. They will all wait for one guy to get up and go tell someone.

But if you were alone in the cinema, you would go right away wouldn't you?

I really believe that their theory and research is SPOT on.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by peter12

Bullying? It's social collapse.

Social collapse? Good lord. We've been suffering social collapse since the beginning of time if this event indicates it's happening.

I know everything was perfect in the good old days when we all went to church, couldn't get a divorce, respected our elders and all that nice old fashioned stuff, but everything wasn't exactly perfect in the good old days.

As terrible as this story is, this kind of thing has been going on since day 1 (minus the cel phones, of course).

It doesn't mean that society is falling down around us. It means there are some bad people out there. There always has been and there always will be.

[killer_carlson]

if the victim is still recovering, it makes me think this is more of an assault than consentual.

There is way too much difference between a 16 year old and a 12 year old.

Hell, I think a 16 year old and 14 year old is probably too much difference, but that's just me. 12? Brutal, brutal, brutal.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Social collapse? Good lord. We've been suffering social collapse since the beginning of time if this event indicates it's happening.

I know everything was perfect in the good old days when we all went to church, couldn't get a divorce, respected our elders and all that nice old fashioned stuff, but everything wasn't exactly perfect in the good old days.

As terrible as this story is, this kind of thing has been going on since day 1 (minus the cel phones, of course).

It doesn't mean that society is falling down around us. It means there are some bad people out there. There always has been and there always will be.

Pretty damn close to what I wrote in that other parenting thread.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Delgar

16 and 12 means a MINIMUM age difference of 3 years any way you count it.

It still counts as rape even with the girl's consent, but you have to consider that while the male 16 year old should have known better and deserves more punishment than he will actually get, the girl agreeing to have sex in front of her and his friends in a school yard is pretty sad.

Call me old fashioned but I don't believe that agreeing to meet someone in a park is the same as agreeing to have sex with that person in front of their friends.

[amorak]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Call me old fashioned but I don't believe that agreeing to meet someone in a park is the same as agreeing to have sex with that person in front of their friends.

Girls and their mixed messages.... No wonder I was always in trouble.

[Boblobla]

This thread took longer than I expected to degenerate into humor.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

This thread took longer than I expected to degenerate into humor.

You mean evolve gracefully into humor.

[Mad Mel]

The number of people in this thread trying to excuse a 16 year old boy who was "just having sex" with a screaming 12 year old girl is pretty f***ed. You know those people would just walk on past.

[alltherage]

Originally Posted by Mad Mel

The number of people in this thread trying to excuse a 16 year old boy who was "just having sex" with a screaming 12 year old girl is pretty f***ed. You know those people would just walk on past.

Calm down... remember there is also a chance this did not go the way you think it went.

From what I've heard between yesterday and today it sounds like this was consensual... in which case I don't really know which way to go with it.

Depending on the maturity of the 12 year old, maybe she's smart enough to know what she was doing? Don't murder me over this CP... I have 3 younger sisters, all of whom were 12 at some point and had very different maturity levels.

If I'm the father of the daughter, and I know she gets into trouble, (think of "consequences will never be the same") I wonder if I just forget pressing charges. Is it worth having my daughter beleive she was assaulted, or that she made a mistake? Is it worth putting a massive scar on the 16 year old boy's record, and memory for the rest of his life, or should he quietly learn this lesson by narrowly escaping charges?

Messy messy messy.

[VladtheImpaler]

The girl must have a history of disciplinary "issues" - she is already enrolled in one of "those" schools... Obviously, this is not the horrible thing we initially thought, and more of a "Boston Pizza" situation. An illegal act has been committed - now, we get into the moral issues surrounding that...

[alltherage]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

The girl must have a history of disciplinary "issues" - she is already enrolled in one of "those" schools... Obviously, this is not the horrible thing we initially thought, and more of a "Boston Pizza" situation. An illegal act has been committed - now, we get into the moral issues surrounding that...

Agreed. Sounds like this may be illegal... but not necessarily as hainous as it originally sounded.

If the 12 year old girl consented then this is a completely different ball game.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by alltherage

Agreed. Sounds like this may be illegal... but not necessarily as hainous as it originally sounded.

If the 12 year old girl consented then this is a completely different ball game.

There is no "sounds like". She is 12 - she cannot legally consent. In Amsterdam, yes, but not here.

[alltherage]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

There is no "sounds like". She is 12 - she cannot legally consent. In Amsterdam, yes, but not here.

Sorry- I understand that- poorly written post on my part. What I meant to say is while this is illegal, it may not have been imoral.

I'm no lawyer though... all I am saying is this sounds like a couple of kids got into what they thought was a little bit of trouble and it's way beyond what they thought it was.

And I understand she's not able to legally consent... however is it not her that broke the law and not him? Or is it up to the 16 year old to know the law on this? Man I am confused.