Last 10 years? They lost their next two bowls after the first Fiesta Bowl over OU. They're not to be laughed at, they have a nice program there, but Strength of Schedule needs to be accounted for when talking about shots at the Championship game. Boise State doesn't have it.
In the last 10 years, they have played five top 10 teams and won 4 out of those 5 games with the only loss coming against Louisville. They have more then just a "nice" program.
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In the last 10 years, they have played five top 10 teams and won 4 out of those 5 games with the only loss coming against Louisville. They have more then just a "nice" program.
Last year alone Florida played 3 top 5 teams....
2008 played 5 top 25 teams with 3 being top 5 and two of them being #1 ranking when we played them.
Now lets talk about playing a big time sched.
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For those banging on Boise and their lack of a schedule...they can only play who is in their conference.
The way I look at it is like this...I think they could go through both the Big east and the ACC without losing this year...both those conferences have an automatic bid to a BCS game and the ACC could see a team in the BCS championship should they go undefeated this year....so why wouldnt Boise deserve the same chance?
A playoff is the ONLY way that this argument will ever be resolved, but the moneygrubbers that run the big schools and make up the NCAA will never allow it so we are stuck with the worst system in organized sports to decide who is best in the country.
For those banging on Boise and their lack of a schedule...they can only play who is in their conference.
The way I look at it is like this...I think they could go through both the Big east and the ACC without losing this year...both those conferences have an automatic bid to a BCS game and the ACC could see a team in the BCS championship should they go undefeated this year....so why wouldnt Boise deserve the same chance?
A playoff is the ONLY way that this argument will ever be resolved, but the moneygrubbers that run the big schools and make up the NCAA will never allow it so we are stuck with the worst system in organized sports to decide who is best in the country.
Cest la vie.
If they played in the Big East they'd have a good shot at winning the conference but I could easily see them tripping up in something like @South Florida, Pitt, @West Virginia, @ Cincy on back to back to back to back weeks (Syracuse's schedule this year) and losing one game, thus taking themselves out of the NC picture.
Same with the ACC. I'm sure they could win it, but there'd probably be a loss somewhere in a schedule like @Clemson, Florida State, @Duke, North Carolina,@Virginia, Maryland, @GT, VT (Miami's schedule for the year). To further my point, it doesn't seem like any team from the ACC has come out of conference play undefeated in quite some time.
Throw in a couple good OOC games and it'd be a hell of alot more difficult for them to get into the NC game.
And with the playoff issue, yeah there's moneygrab big schools that won't allow it to go though, but there's also the fact that there's no time in the season to play 3-4 extra games, there'd still be people complaining about being left out, and no fan is gonna travel 3-5 times in as many weeks to watch their team play.
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If they played in the Big East they'd have a good shot at winning the conference but I could easily see them tripping up in something like @South Florida, Pitt, @West Virginia, @ Cincy on back to back to back to back weeks (Syracuse's schedule this year) and losing one game, thus taking themselves out of the NC picture.
Same with the ACC. I'm sure they could win it, but there'd probably be a loss somewhere in a schedule like @Clemson, Florida State, @Duke, North Carolina,@Virginia, Maryland, @GT, VT (Miami's schedule for the year). To further my point, it doesn't seem like any team from the ACC has come out of conference play undefeated in quite some time.
Throw in a couple good OOC games and it'd be a hell of alot more difficult for them to get into the NC game.
And with the playoff issue, yeah there's moneygrab big schools that won't allow it to go though, but there's also the fact that there's no time in the season to play 3-4 extra games, there'd still be people complaining about being left out, and no fan is gonna travel 3-5 times in as many weeks to watch their team play.
Nonsense.
The season can be over by the middle of November...which leaves a full 6 weeks of time BEFORE they play meaningful bowl games now.
I agree that the travel of fans could be an issue, but it amazes me that the FBS manages it quite successfully every year.
It is assinine to me that whatever you are ranked pre-season can have as much bearing on whether or not you have a chance to play in a BCS championship game...literally rankings being done with no one invoved having any idea how good or not some teams may be. Its really laughable when you think about it.
The season can be over by the middle of November...which leaves a full 6 weeks of time BEFORE they play meaningful bowl games now.
I agree that the travel of fans could be an issue, but it amazes me that the FBS manages it quite successfully every year.
It is assinine to me that whatever you are ranked pre-season can have as much bearing on whether or not you have a chance to play in a BCS championship game...literally rankings being done with no one invoved having any idea how good or not some teams may be. Its really laughable when you think about it.
Is there any way to take these preseason rankings out of the formula and still have a system like they currently have?
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Is there any way to take these preseason rankings out of the formula and still have a system like they currently have?
As far as i can tell...nope. The BCS uses both polls as a part of their formula IIRC and there has to be a starting point for those polls to exist. I guess you could have no polls until week 1 is played...but even then do we really know how good or not some teams based on the creampuffs that are scheduled?
No matter how you slice it, the system is flawed horribly. I understand the argument of " well some teams think they should be in" and there is some merit to that....but even if the 9th ranked team or the 17th ranked team are left out, that doesnt take away that the top 8 or 16 do get in and have an equal chance to compete. Just like the NHL, NBA, NFL any other sport...you qualify to get in you have a chance. CFB though? Nope. Its entirely up to a completely flawed computer system and geography as to whether your team even gets a sniff. I dont understand how anyone can consider that in any way, shape or form a good idea or a way to truly crown a NC team.
Playoff would make for worse schedules in the regular season. There would NO good OOC games cause there no point risking a playoff spot. At least in BCS you have to have good OOC matches in order to get into the top 2 rather than the top 16.
For example Florida, just finish 2nd or 3rd in the SEC and make the playoffs, why play South Florida or travel to Florida State?
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And even with a playoff, you still need rankings for seeding. Giving Boise State a 2nd or 3rd seed in a tournament based on the schedule they have this year isn't really fair either.
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Four ... but it's all just part of a big Southern conspiracy to keep Boise State down. The teams were actually crap.
I've never said the SEC is crap, or that it's a conspiracy. You said that it was bull that a team like boise should have a sniff at the National Championship game with a weak schedule. My point was, they don't have the opportunity to play in a big time conference because they don't bring enough $$$ to the table. That's not their fault. The system is flawed.
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Playoff would make for worse schedules in the regular season. There would NO good OOC games cause there no point risking a playoff spot. At least in BCS you have to have good OOC matches in order to get into the top 2 rather than the top 16.
Completely disagree. I think that there would be even more emphasis put on OOC games in regards to SOS. I mean how much worse can it get when Fla. plays Western kentucky, Troy and Florida Atlantic in one season? (Not picking on Fla, I just remember that year vividly) You schedule something like that and chances are pretty good other schools will have equal records and much stonger OOC games.
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And even with a playoff, you still need rankings for seeding. Giving Boise State a 2nd or 3rd seed in a tournament based on the schedule they have this year isn't really fair either.
How is it not fair? They are #3 in the country now. Even if you slide them down to a 6-10 seed in a 16 team deal (As an example only) at least they still have an equal shot at playing for the championship....something that no other non-BCS conference school can say in the current system unless they are ranked REALLY high to start the season like BS this year.
And again, the same NCAA group that seemingly cant figure this out...HAS THE SYSTEM in place already and uses it every year for the FBS schools. Its assinine.
Again...I understand there is no perfect system that addresses all concerns...but no one will ever convince me that playoff system would be a more undesirable option than the joke that is in place now. IMO...its impossible to argue otherwise.
Again Liberal Political mindset " Small (or poor) people (bsu) are getting the shaft, So lets give the shaft to everyone else to make it equal."
BTW that cheating ass Bush is having Heisman taken away.
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Did Trans say they could make it through the EhCC undefeated this year? BSU needed a miracle last min drive helped by the refs on the punt return and that "unnecessary roughing" penalty to beat a 2nd tier VT team....
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Did Trans say they could make it through the EhCC undefeated this year? BSU needed a miracle last min drive helped by the refs on the punt return and that "unnecessary roughing" penalty to beat a 2nd tier VT team....
Considering Va Tech is probably the best team in the ACC and Boise St. beat them on the road, I don't see why not.
And let's just end the miracle drive crap. The refs picked up a bad flag on the punt return and had a bad unnecessary roughness call. For anyone watching the game, that roughness call had no effect on the final drive - Boise moved the ball with complete ease. If anything it hurt Boise St. as it give Va Tech a 15-25 more precious seconds which they squandered.
Completely disagree. I think that there would be even more emphasis put on OOC games in regards to SOS. I mean how much worse can it get when Fla. plays Western kentucky, Troy and Florida Atlantic in one season? (Not picking on Fla, I just remember that year vividly) You schedule something like that and chances are pretty good other schools will have equal records and much stonger OOC games.
How is it not fair? They are #3 in the country now. Even if you slide them down to a 6-10 seed in a 16 team deal (As an example only) at least they still have an equal shot at playing for the championship....something that no other non-BCS conference school can say in the current system unless they are ranked REALLY high to start the season like BS this year.
And again, the same NCAA group that seemingly cant figure this out...HAS THE SYSTEM in place already and uses it every year for the FBS schools. Its assinine.
Again...I understand there is no perfect system that addresses all concerns...but no one will ever convince me that playoff system would be a more undesirable option than the joke that is in place now. IMO...its impossible to argue otherwise.
You're going to risk a playoff spot by playing more tough OOC games? SOS means something now since only 2 teams get in, it won't mean as much if 16 teams make the playoffs. Look at the NCAA basketball regular season, nobody cares.
BCS ensures 2 big conference undefeated teams (or close to it) teams in the big final. All the BCS title games so far have been classics. Leave it the way it is.
You should present a detail playoff format and we'll debate it
I just think a playoff is logistically unworkable in the college system when you have over 100 teams.
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You're going to risk a playoff spot by playing more tough OOC games? SOS means something now since only 2 teams get in, it won't mean as much if 16 teams make the playoffs. Look at the NCAA basketball regular season, nobody cares.
BCS ensures 2 big conference undefeated teams (or close to it) teams in the big final. All the BCS title games so far have been classics. Leave it the way it is.
You should present a detail playoff format and we'll debate it I just think a playoff is logistically unworkable in the college system when you have over 100 teams.
I respect your arguments.
However, the bolded statement seems silly to me when the FCS has been doing it for years. Logistically unworkable? Come on.
People do care about college basketball in the regular season BTW, down here anyway.
If none of the smaller schools ever deserve a chance why are they in Division 1? Maybe we need a new division.
Or are they there for the hallowed BIG CONFERENCES to toy around with?
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