... and a little girl was violently assaulted. That's my problem.
It's honestly nihilistic that a bunch of kids would stand around and let something like this happen. What's worse is that they took pictures of it, probably for their own self-amusement.
This is a serious and horrifying incident. One cannot help but reflect on the conditions that led to it.
Charging in with a bat would not have stopped her from being assaulted and in fact may have made things worse. That you don't understand that is bizarre, really.
And I have reflected on the conditions which led to this incident. It almost certainly is the result of our education system which creates a society within a society in schools; leading to labelling. Heck, school is where we learn to be critical of the differences in others which most of us carry into adulthood. (IE: judging people based on how they dress or what they look like.)
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We keep seeing these acts occur and since about the 60's there's been scientists studying what is going on when a group stands by while harm is being done. The case that really started all this was Kitty Ginovese:
Its gone by names such as bystander non-intervention effect, bystander effect and is something that evolutionary biologist/psychologists have been trying to match with evolutionary altruism which we see; this obviously being quite a dramatic opposition to that idea.
The recent events in the US of the 15yr old girl being gang raped by her school with multiple witnesses was again showing us this horrible thing happening again, some good quotes from a NPR show on this girls brutal attack/rape:
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Sometimes it's easy to think about helping an individual person, even though a group tragedy may not affect us. And again, the bystander problem poses a dilemma because this is about an individual human being and that person's suffering. And so, of course, there are now, we know, many, many experiments done on something called the bystander non-intervention effect, and it was done in the late �60s, following the murder of Kitty Genovese. And exactly as you say, Neal, the initial response from psychiatrists and psychologists was: Who were these horrible people who stood around watching the murder of this woman and didn't call the police? And that led to a stunning set of experiments.
And the reason I say that the experiments here are so important is that because in any given case, we don't know exactly what the pressures on the situation were, and we don't know exactly what those folks experienced. And that's why when we bring complex phenomena like this into the laboratory and we put them to the test there, we can say with far greater precision what it is that's going on. And the results of two psychologists by the name of Latane and Darley stand out here because they re-enacted certain situations in the laboratory: a person having a seizure; a bunch of smoke just flowing into a room. And all they varied was the number of people present.
And the data show over and over again that if there was one person in the room, the likelihood of helping is around 75 percent. But as the number goes to two and three and four and five and six, the number of people who jump up to help drops to 10 percent, right?
So there's something about the size of the group that, although it should lead us to be more likely to help, actually produces the counter intuitive reverse effect.
CONAN: That's fascinating. So in effect, there's something biological going on here.
Prof. BANAJI: Well, we can - you know, we would want to at least say that it is something cognitive going on because here's what we think needs to happen in an emergency situation like this. First of all, you have to notice that there is an emergency.
CONAN: Sure.
Prof. BANAJI: And the remarkable result from these original studies is that if you are with other people sitting there, you are less likely to even notice the smoke. You are less likely to even recognize that the child's cry for help is a real cry for help, and so on. So there's something that changes in our minds to even identify what it is that's going on. And, of course, once we identify what it is that's going on, then we need to figure out some way to take action, and that's where psychologists believe something called diffusion of responsibility occurs, that the number of people, as that - yes.
CONAN: It has to - if there's a large number of people, it's not an individual's responsibility anymore. It's, hey, if Charlie over there doesn't do it, why should I do it?
Prof. BANAJI: That's correct. Try dropping a penny in an elevator with one other person present versus six others present, and you'll find the number of people helping to pick it up just drop precipitously.
The Calgary Police Service Child Abuse Unit continues to investigate a sexual assault incident that occurred yesterday in a school field.
At approximately 4:45 p.m., on Monday, Sept. 6, 2010, police were called to Clarence Sansom School, 5840 24 Ave. N.E., for reports of a sexual assault in progress. When officers arrived, 10 youths were located near the bleachers in the field.
Two of the youths, a 12-year-old girl and a 16-year-old boy, met a week earlier on a social networking site and had agreed to meet in the school playground. While the group was sitting in the bleachers, the girl and boy became involved in a sexual act. During this time, the eight others remained in the area.
Witnesses inside the school called police indicating there was an incident occurring in the field.
There is no evidence that the witnesses encouraged the sexual assault, however, a cell phone belonging to one of the youths was checked. At this time, no photos or video have been recovered from these witnesses.
It is believed alcohol played a factor in this incident, but to what degree is still being investigated.
Nine of the youths have been interviewed, however, the 12-year-old girl is still recovering from the ordeal and will be interviewed at an appropriate time.
While charges are pending against the 16-year-old, they have not been laid.
These Ma and Pa Liquor stores on every street corner are becoming a problem. They arent ID'ing because competition for the almighty dollar is high in that business. Sorry to de-rail the thread.
These Ma and Pa Liquor stores on every street corner are becoming a problem. They arent ID'ing because competition for the almighty dollar is high in that business. Sorry to de-rail the thread.
While this may be an issue, when I was 16-17 i used to wait outside for someone who looked "cool" (read: losers who buy alcohol for minors) who would "boot" for us. We almost always got someone to do it... especially if we hid around the corner and let the girls we were with do the asking.
Not to mention older siblings, and some parents. There was many ways to get booze as a teenager. I do not really think that booze is the issue here. There obviously is something seriously disturbed with some fo these kids.
I was going to post that something sounded fishy about this story and it is possible that some kids were being 'naughty', but I feared the moral outrage police would be down my throat for even questioning their guilt.
BTW, it's still sexual assault since she is 12, but, yeah, a lot of difference between "girl victim of gang assault" and "girl victim of own stupidity"... But, I believe the woman interviewed in the Herald story said that the victim was screaming, which led me to believe the worst. I guess we'll find out soon enough...
absolutely not serious.
