Morrissey calls the Chinese a subspecies because of their animal rights record

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Shazam

It should be done out in the country, like, say, Brooks.

Chinese people are, generally, poor, and eat the way the way they do because they don't really have any other choice other than to starve to death.

Look, animals have been brutalized throughout history. The fact that "The West" now treat animals humanely and have them as pets or our best buddies is really commendable, but that doesn't mean we can stand on a pedestal and point our fingers at others who haven't changed yet.

I know that little dogs (poodles, chihuahuas) are really popular pets in China.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Look, animals have been brutalized throughout history. The fact that "The West" now treat animals humanely and have them as pets or our best buddies is really commendable, but that doesn't mean we can stand on a pedestal and point our fingers at others who haven't changed yet.

Um, yes, that's what I was trying to say.

I know that little dogs (poodles, chihuahuas) are really popular pets in China.

And delicious!

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by jhunt223

If it really is this bad, then they are a sub species. F*** them.

You whiteys are just as sick.

http://www.animalsuffering.com/animal-cruelty.php

I guess that makes you another type of sub species eh?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Um, yes, that's what I was trying to say.

I was agreeing with you, emphasizing your point

[Coys1882]

I kind of see the Government as the representation of its people and what's important to them. If China doesn't have any sort of laws in place to protect animals, then that to me means it’s not important to its citizens – communist or not. I don’t find that necessarily sub-human but archaic - especially when this is a nation that's supposed to be a world super power.

Yen Man – I wouldn’t say that there aren’t some white people who don’t give a crap about animals when working in slaughterhouses – but as a whole this ‘race’ does. That’s why we have laws which are supposed to govern this.

Being Chinese does their lack of animal rights law concern you?

[FlamesAddiction]

Oh Morrisey.... you shut your mouth. How can you say they go about things the wrong way? They are human and need to be loved just like everybody else does.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by Byrns

Plenty of "western" animal cruelty can be found on youtube.

You can always find examples of anything you want when you look for it and ignore the severity.

Western society is not without fault in this area, but comparing them to china is pretty laughable.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by fotze

I don't understand why killing an animal for our oral pleasure is any more noble than killing them for any other pleasure. Both equally selfish. I don't see the difference between boiling a lobster and killing a dog. At least there, it could be argued as more necessary to eat a dog.

How is it more necessary to eat a dog than a lobster? Unless there is no lobster, then of course, but that goes without saying.

And yes, I find boiling crab/lobster whilst alive pretty bad personally. Still even with that, there are many ways you can keep the process as humane as possible when eating other meats.

Of course killing animals to eat is selfish. However, all cultures eat meat. I think it is fair to judge how they treat the animals prior to being killed and how they are killed. Why try to say it is all the same when it is clearly not? The end result of them being food does not erase how they were treated prior to that.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I was agreeing with you, emphasizing your point

You women are a mystery. Curvy, nice-smelling mysteries.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by fotze

Because they are likely very poor and ate dogs that were available, this probably evolved into a delicacy over the years. More chinese probably need to eat dog than newfies need to eat lobster to not die.

The how we treat them part is such a small part of the entire killing thing that it is overblown. If a serial killer was nice to the hooker prior to killing her, I don't think he should be bragging to the other serial killer who tortured his hooker. I guess serial killer A is kinda better, kinda.

I disagree. Killing animals for food is something that won't go away. You don't have to be best friends with every animal that ends up on your dinner plate but you also don't have to make them endure hellish conditions just to get there.

Human sustenance comes first. You do what you need to do to get by. I would never criticize someone for doing what they need to survive. Once you get past that point though...I do think that a little compassion can be in order.

As for something to brag about...I agree. It isn't about bragging rights. It isn't about looking better than the other guy, but it is about recognizing that another organism is giving up their life to sustain ours, and respecting that and treating them accordingly before that moment. It isn't always possible, but when it is, I think it is important. And no, I am not a hippie, pretty far from it. Serial killers kill things just for that - to kill. Killing an animal for food and sustenance is pretty different.

Why defend obvious cruelty if it is not necessary? You can hide so many things under the "their culture is different and who are we to enforce our values on them" rug, but truly this one is a fairly easy one to find a compromise with.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by fotze

The how we treat them part is such a small part of the entire killing thing that it is overblown. If a serial killer was nice to the hooker prior to killing her, I don't think he should be bragging to the other serial killer who tortured his hooker.

I can't begin to express how much I disagree with you on this point. It's an awful analogy, too.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by fotze

I eat meat, I just don't think I am any better because maybe cargill treats the animals awesome when they round them up and assembly line slaughter them, I guess to some people that is humane. I just think that how we treat the animal before killing it is a pretty small part of the whole thing. Yes meat eating is here to stay, and they should treat them more humanely. I just have issue with the people who think they are morally way above the chinese. Sorry you are a little above on this issue.

On the human rights thing, yes thats unacceptable but not as much as defending it that seems to happen. So much so that if people who live here defend it, it scares me what may be voted into power here.

So what is the big part of the whole thing? The actual killing blow? I guess I'm not quite sure on how you see things so similarly besides the fact that they both end up on someones dinner plate eventually. Otherwise it seems like practices are fairly different.

Not sure I understand the second bold either. Sorry that I am confusing the issue (could happen, I am easily confused by the internets) or that I am above (morally) it?

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by Cain

You can always find examples of anything you want when you look for it and ignore the severity.

Western society is not without fault in this area, but comparing them to china is pretty laughable.

Really? Do you know what goes on in our own slaughter plants? And what are you basing your assessment of china on, besides youtube videos?

Not sure any of us would be able to accurately compare the two, short of being a UN meat inspector......which doesnt exist.

[MRCboicgy]

Maybe he just was venting after poor service in Canmore...

[Sr. Mints]

I like cute fluffable animals. If I had to kill for my own meat, I'd probably go vegan or vegetarian or whatever. And who the F is Morrissey?

[Cain]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

Really? Do you know what goes on in our own slaughter plants? And what are you basing your assessment of china on, besides youtube videos?

Not sure any of us would be able to accurately compare the two, short of being a UN meat inspector......which doesnt exist.

I have not been there, no.

One can compare animal rights laws between the two countries if you really wish and see the difference.

It is amusing how much opposition there is in regards to a simple statement of china having a poor animal rights record. I'm not going to argue anymore, mostly because I am a lurker by nature. I learned long ago that arguing on the internet is pointless...there is no victory or defeat. So I shall bow out now and leave the debating to stronger folk than I.

[peter12]

Holy smokes, it's really easy to whip up a good populist racism on this board, hey?

Really, anyone who agrees with Morrisey on this point is just pure hick white trash.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by peter12

Holy smokes, it's really easy to whip up a good populist racism on this board, hey?

Really, anyone who agrees with Morrisey on this point is just pure hick white trash.

You being so rhetorically adept should realize, that while the statement was a poor choice of words, he wasn't calling the Chinese a lower grade of human, rather that their system of morals wasn't up to Western standards. Which he regards as morally superior. I don't necessarily agree, if you were wondering.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

You being so rhetorically adept should realize, that while the statement was a poor choice of words, he wasn't calling the Chinese a lower grade of human, rather that their system of morals wasn't up to Western standards. Which he regards as morally superior. I don't necessarily agree, if you were wondering.

It is an appeal to the lowest cellar of the human mind. He's a moron.

General comparisons between civilizations are mostly mind-numbingly dumb anyway. Does Morrisey want to talk about the West's human rights record? We butcher millions of our own citizens every year and barely bat an eyelash.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by peter12

We butcher millions of our own citizens every year and barely bat an eyelash.

Care to elaborate?