Over Protective Parents [Split from WGMG]

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Her schedule should not revolve around me but revolve around work and the office core hours which are 8:30 to 4:30. I nor anyone else is allowed to start later than 8:30... but she is allowed to start later cause of a kid. Is she going to do this when the kid is 15? Where's the line?

So she starts at 9am every day for 10 months of the year, but everyone else in your office is seriously "not allowed" to start after 8:30?? But she's not fired?

Perhaps she has an agreement worked out with her supervisor to start 30 minutes later than everyone else. Or perhaps the "core hours" are just a suggestion and not a hard and fast rule.

There's probably lots of explanations other than: "she doesn't care about her job enough" and/or "people with kids get better treatment".

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by STeeLy

Truer words have not been said.

Sure, there are some bad parents out there, and the kid may not turn out all that great. But you can't control that, criticize all you want, but they aren't gonna change.

And all parents have different styles of parenting, there's no one way that's good or right. Let them be.

So parents should be allowed to abuse their kids? Not give them food? etc and we should let them be?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Peanut

So she starts at 9am every day for 10 months of the year, but everyone else in your office is seriously "not allowed" to start after 8:30?? But she's not fired?

Perhaps she has an agreement worked out with her supervisor to start 30 minutes later than everyone else. Or perhaps the "core hours" are just a suggestion and not a hard and fast rule.

There's probably lots of explanations other than: "she doesn't care about her job enough" and/or "people with kids get better treatment".

The core hours are very strict and yes she does have an agreement with the manager. Core hours are important because we meet alot of clients and have alot of meetings at 8:30 and 9:00 so it does affect work sometimes. And no, she never stays later, she has to go pick up Junior too. I'm sure most of you who work have companies that enforce core hours.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

The core hours are very strict and yes she does have an agreement with the manager. Core hours are important because we meet alot of clients and have alot of meetings at 8:30 and 9:00 so it does affect work sometimes. And no, she never stays later, she has to go pick up Junior too. I'm sure most of you who work have companies that enforce core hours.

If the core hours are very strict why can she start later then everyone else?
(Yes, I did read she has an agreement with the manager)

[enthused]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Her schedule should not revolve around me but revolve around work and the office core hours which are 8:30 to 4:30. I nor anyone else is allowed to start later than 8:30... but she is allowed to start later cause of a kid. Is she going to do this when the kid is 15? Where's the line? Pre-school, that awkward halfday kindergarten or even grade 1 ok I understand... but not freakin grade 3!

Believe it or not, some people actually have things going on in their life outside of work that they probably consider more important than their job. Kids, being one of them. I don't see what the issue is, this woman coming in 30 mins later because she wants to make sure her kid gets to school. I'm assuming she works an extra 30 mins at the end of the day. And chances are, she has some sort of agreement worked out with her supervisor that allows her to do this.

I just think you're being extremely critical about a situation that you can't relate to. Maybe one day you'll need the flexibility to be able to adjust your work schedule, you never know.

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

The core hours are very strict and yes she does have an agreement with the manager. Core hours are important because we meet alot of clients and have alot of meetings at 8:30 and 9:00 so it does affect work sometimes. And no, she never stays later, she has to go pick up Junior too. I'm sure most of you who work have companies that enforce core hours.

My company and most of the one's my friends work for are very big on flex hours and promoting family comes first, it's the way things are at the majority of larger companies these days.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

If the core hours are very strict why can she start later then everyone else?
(Yes, I did read she has an agreement with the manager)

I don't know, this is my beef :P

Originally Posted by enthused

Believe it or not, some people actually have things going on in their life outside of work that they probably consider more important than their job. Kids, being one of them. I don't see what the issue is, this woman coming in 30 mins later because she wants to make sure her kid gets to school. I'm assuming she works an extra 30 mins at the end of the day. And chances are, she has some sort of agreement worked out with her supervisor that allows her to do this.

I just think you're being extremely critical about a situation that you can't relate to. Maybe one day you'll need the flexibility to be able to adjust your work schedule, you never know.

Kids are probably the only thing. Can you think of something else in life outside of work that would allow for this?

And you assume wrong, she doesn't work the extra 30 minutes. Well she didn't on Thursday and she took Friday off.. we'll see what happens this week.

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

My company and most of the one's my friends work for are very big on flex hours and promoting family comes first, it's the way things are at the majority of larger companies these days.

Don't you have to work flex hours within the core hours? For example, I can start at 7:30, 7:45, 8:00, 8:15 and 8:30 but no earlier or later than that.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

The core hours are very strict and yes she does have an agreement with the manager. Core hours are important because we meet alot of clients and have alot of meetings at 8:30 and 9:00 so it does affect work sometimes. And no, she never stays later, she has to go pick up Junior too. I'm sure most of you who work have companies that enforce core hours.

And most people who work, at a certain age, also have kids. And if companies weren't at least somewhat flexible, they'd be losing a pretty huge portion of the workforce with all the Mom's or Dad's staying at home instead of working, all because they weren't allowed to start 30 minutes late and take a shorter lunch-hour, or less pay, or whatever the agreement might be.

ANYWAYS. Back to the topic.

Leave this poor, worried woman alone. She was just anxious about her kid on his first day. Or he was just anxious. Or whatever. None of us will know the entire situation unless she decides to sign up to CP and fill us all in.

[CaptainCrunch]

I would assume that part of her agreement then is that she doesn't take lunch or that she doesn't get paid for the 30 minutes late.

I wouldn't have a problem with it as a boss as long as I'm not paying her for the time she's not there and it doesn't effect productivity.

But it does drive me crazy when people take big time advantage of having kids in terms of leaving early and coming in late every day and skipping out in mid day because junior has the sniffles.

[enthused]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Kids are probably the only thing. Can you think of something in life outside of work that would allow for this?

And you assume wrong, she doesn't work the extra 30 minutes. Well she didn't on Thursday and she took Friday off.. we'll see what happens this week.

I'm sure there are many things in life that could happen that might require you to have some flexibility in your work schedule. We just probably don't know a lot of them because we haven't experienced them yet, or been in the situation where we needed to adjust. But imagine if you had a family member who was sick and in the hospital, and you needed to be able to go see them. Or you had to take care of them. I'd imagine it would be pretty nice to have some flexibility at work when it comes to that.

And if she has only she has only started her coming in at 9 last week, and has only done it for one day so far, don't you think you're jumping the gun on saying she "never" works the extra 30 mins?

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I don't know, this is my beef :P



Kids are probably the only thing. Can you think of something in life outside of work that would allow for this?

And you assume wrong, she doesn't work the extra 30 minutes. Well she didn't on Thursday and she took Friday off.. we'll see what happens this week.



Don't you have to work flex hours within the core hours? For example, I can start at 7:30, 7:45, 8:00, 8:15 and 8:30 but no earlier or later than that.

No not necessarily. It's on a case by case basis, and a lot of people do it. They might actually work less hours and take a pay cut, permanently or for a certain portion of the year, whatever. This is such standard practice now, I'm surprised that you are so bothered by this.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by enthused

I'm sure there are many things in life that could happen that might require you to have some flexibility in your work schedule. We just probably don't know a lot of them because we haven't experienced them yet, or been in the situation where we needed to adjust. But imagine if you had a family member who was sick and in the hospital, and you needed to be able to go see them. Or you had to take care of them. I'd imagine it would be pretty nice to have some flexibility at work when it comes to that.

And if she has only she has only started her coming in at 9 last week, and has only done it for one day so far, don't you think you're jumping the gun on saying she "never" works the extra 30 mins?

I would imagine that any company would be fairly sympathetic to someone with a family member in the hospital. However I don't think that it would extend to taking time off every day for lets say 6 months.

At some point the person would probably be given the option of taking time off with a unpaid portion.

I think even bereavement leave in most benefits packages is only a few days.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by enthused

I'm sure there are many things in life that could happen that might require you to have some flexibility in your work schedule. We just probably don't know a lot of them because we haven't experienced them yet, or been in the situation where we needed to adjust. But imagine if you had a family member who was sick and in the hospital, and you needed to be able to go see them. Or you had to take care of them. I'd imagine it would be pretty nice to have some flexibility at work when it comes to that.

And if she has only she has only started her coming in at 9 last week, and has only done it for one day so far, don't you think you're jumping the gun on saying she "never" works the extra 30 mins?

But those aren't 10 month schedules, they're emergencies that would be worked out.

And yes I'm jumping the gun

[enthused]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I would imagine that any company would be fairly sympathetic to someone with a family member in the hospital. However I don't think that it would extend to taking time off every day for lets say 6 months.

At some point the person would probably be given the option of taking time off with a unpaid portion.

I think even bereavement leave in most benefits packages is only a few days.

You're probably right, maybe that was a bad example but I was just trying to say that there are probably many reasons that people might require a little flexibility in their work schedule. And I'd imagine that most companies would try to be accomodating, within reason, because they'd want their employees to be happy.

Personally I don't see what the big issue is with coming in half an hour later, as long as the woman make up the time or doesn't get paid for that time.

[Mirajj]

I think that the issue is more that folks who don't have kids are sick of employers bending over backwards for those who DO have kids, often to the detriment of those without.

I have someone at my workplace like that. A lead hand who has to spend every weekend and every holiday with her kids. She's not worked a single weekend or holiday in the years I've been with the company, because "she's got a family she has to think about".

Well, so do I. It may not involve a kid, but I'd like to spend some time on the weekends or holidays with my wife and/or my parents.

It wouldn't even be so bad if the need to work weekends was rotated among those who could do it, but no. Because she has kids, she's exempt. I think that's what gets most non-parents irked with parents.

[STeeLy]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

So parents should be allowed to abuse their kids? Not give them food? etc and we should let them be?

Obviously, some things cross the line, exce I'm ok with discipline to keep the child in line once in a while, I think it'd be a good thing. (I whole heartedly agree with Russell Peters on beating kids) as long as it doesn't happen often.

But if the kids are growing up, the parents provide their basic needs and leaves them be, that's their choice. If they want to watch them like a hawk, that's also their choice.

[Ducay]

Wouldn't it just be the icing on the cake if this lady was a smoker too? Taking all those extra breaks us non-smokers don't get


As you said, this lady has an agreement with management. Tough lemons to you. If you're so hurt, go talk to your boss and ask for one yourself. If not, get over it and move on. Its obviously important enough that management would give her such leeway.

[wpgflamesfan]

At least she's not going to her 24 year old kids job interviews.

http://www.forbes.com/2006/11/08/lea..._1109kids.html

"Last year I had a parent sit in the lobby and wait the entire four hours during the job interview," says Audrey Abron, an executive recruiter for Belk Department Stores in Charlotte, N.C. "The girl introduced us to her mother, and there was no embarrassment. She felt it was acceptable behavior. What do you say? Some things should be understood." Things like, you don't bring your mommy or daddy to a job interview.

A junior at Gonzaga University in Washington State, Tebria is in the middle of an internship hunt and is getting plenty of help from her mom, who's developed an Excel spreadsheet to track contacts, is ready to accompany her on job interviews and write follow-up letters. Says Rodriguez, "I'm monitoring my investment."

[Pinner]

Another quote from that article:

At some point they'll have to be more independent, but that breakaway will occur later than in past generations. It's now happening in their mid-20s." Parker received several requests from parents to get their own university ID cards so they can have easy access to the career center to "take care of their child's business." Parker denies all of those requests.

Six months ago, Merrill Lynch held a parent's day for parents of new hires so they could see the office and hear more about the company their child will be working for.

Too funny, unbelievable really.

[Ducay]

If only more parents were like Red Foreman, this continent wouldn't be filled with so many pussies coming of age right now.