Every time I watch Jon Stewart I am amazed how much of a moron he is and how much of a success he's having with his shtick. Couple of weeks ago when he went to great lengths to defend Obama's appearance on the View, that was quite hilarious. I don't think even Obama's PR brigade defended him so ferociously. Oh wait a sec....
How is he wrong in that video? Maybe you should critique the video rather than personally attack Stewart. Badly, I might add. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone besides yourself who thinks Jon Stewart is a moron. Even among his enemies. He has made several people look very stupid sitting opposite him. I don't know if he's always fair, but he's obviously extremely intelligent.
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Save your juvenile comments as it seems you don't really have as good a grip on the subject of American government as you think you do. The filibuster, and threat of filibuster, has ground government to a halt and made it impossible for compromise. For some reason the Obama administration has wanted to find a bi-partisan solution to issues rather than ramming their agenda through the mechanisms of government, like the previous administration did, allowing the filibuster to be a viable strategy in preventing passage of legislation. The Democrats are weak kneed wimps for not exploiting their number advantage, but the Republicans have done little to aid a nation hurting in so many ways. A perfect example is the extension of unemployment benefits which the Republicans have blocked over and over again. No bias, just fact. Both sides are guilty and deserve to be tossed out of office because they are not doing what they have been charged to do; govern.
It is true that the fillibuster has been used on a record pace by the Republicans, but that still doesn't change anything from the first year, where the Democrats had the 60 votes they needed.
But at least you got it right with the last sentence.
How is he wrong in that video? Maybe you should critique the video rather than personally attack Stewart. Badly, I might add. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone besides yourself who thinks Jon Stewart is a moron. Even among his enemies. He has made several people look very stupid sitting opposite him. I don't know if he's always fair, but he's obviously extremely intelligent.
You could say the same about Beck.
I don't think Stewart is a moron, but I also don't think he is as unbiased as he claims he is.
How is he wrong in that video? Maybe you should critique the video rather than personally attack Stewart. Badly, I might add. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone besides yourself who thinks Jon Stewart is a moron. Even among his enemies. He has made several people look very stupid sitting opposite him. I don't know if he's always fair, but he's obviously extremely intelligent.
Steward ignored Beck's use of history. If Beck is wrong it is because his history is wrong. Attacking the man rather than the basis of his arguement
does weigh in Beck's faviour.
I don't think Stewart is a moron, but I also don't think he is as unbiased as he claims he is.
I don't think Stewart claims to unbiased. He's a moderate liberal, I'm pretty sure he'd tell you that. He's argued on his show several times for liberal causes. But his logic is airtight most of the time. Which is why he continually makes people that take him on look really bad.
One of my favorite lines from Stephen Colbert is "reality has a liberal bias." It's a good quote because it makes the point that at some point you have to stop search for moderation and look at who makes the most sense. If Republicans aren't making any sense, then the Liberals pointing that out isn't biased. It's just true.
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It is true that the fillibuster has been used on a record pace by the Republicans, but that still doesn't change anything from the first year, where the Democrats had the 60 votes they needed.
But at least you got it right with the last sentence.
Well the Democrats are corrupt too, so it's no surprise. But I don't get how you put the blame on Pelosi. Pelosi did her job, she got all the liberal measures by the House. The "change" people voted for was in the bills that went to the Senate. Where they died a horrid death at the hands of the "moderate" Democrats, who are really just proponents of big business. Just like the entire Republican Party.
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Steward ignored Beck's use of history. If Beck is wrong it is because his history is wrong. Attacking the man rather than the basis of his arguement
does weigh in Beck's faviour.
He attacked and destroyed Beck's logic, no need to get into his "history." Anyway, I'm not going to respond to you further. You've never conceded a point and obviously aren't interested in discussion. Sorry.
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Every time I watch Jon Stewart I am amazed how much of a moron he is and how much of a success he's having with his shtick. Couple of weeks ago when he went to great lengths to defend Obama's appearance on the View, that was quite hilarious. I don't think even Obama's PR brigade defended him so ferociously. Oh wait a sec....
You should be more concerned that an actual Moron, aka Glenn Beck, can get millions of people to believe him.
I think the problem with Obama's policy is that he's a negotiator and always tries to reach a consensus. This has been an impossible task with the Republicans and even within his own party as everybody seems to be out for themselves. Maybe now he sees the mistake in going about things this way while he had a majority but after the next election, that will probably be his only tactic left.
Every time I watch Jon Stewart I am amazed how much of a moron he is and how much of a success he's having with his shtick
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Amazing how different people can view the same thing and come away with totally different conclusions. Every clip I've seen of Glenn Beck so far has had Glenn making himself look like a total moron and a belligerent and loud mouthed moron at that. Jon Stewart merely parroted Glenn Beck's style of argumentation to show how ridiculous and stupid it is. That you used that clip to try and prove how Stewart is a moron starts to look bad on you.
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Amazing how different people can view the same thing and come away with totally different conclusions. Every clip I've seen of Glenn Beck so far has had Glenn making himself look like a total moron and a belligerent and loud mouthed moron at that. Jon Stewart merely parroted Glenn Beck's style of argumentation to show how ridiculous and stupid it is. That you used that clip to try and prove how Stewart is a moron starts to look bad on you.
Yeah it's amazing isn't it? I don't care for Beck, from the little I've seen he can be a hit or a miss, but the whole religious angle is unimportant to me. As far as I am concerned, Lew Rockwell Jr is a right winger, not Beck. Guys like Stewart are every as bit as ridiculous as any "right wing" media personality you guys spew so much such vitriol at.
Just because Stewart makes "funny" faces and ridicules something he doesn't fully grasp, I am not going to proclaim him more intelligent that Beck (or Coulter or whomever).
One of my favorite lines from Stephen Colbert is "reality has a liberal bias." It's a good quote because it makes the point that at some point you have to stop search for moderation and look at who makes the most sense. If Republicans aren't making any sense, then the Liberals pointing that out isn't biased. It's just true.
Hmm... Republicans (or religious conservatives) are not the only ideological opponents of left wing liberals. If Beck is being wrong that doesn't mean Stewart is being right...
He attacked and destroyed Beck's logic, no need to get into his "history." Anyway, I'm not going to respond to you further. You've never conceded a point and obviously aren't interested in discussion. Sorry.
Beck's logic as you put it is in seeing patterns in history and how they are repeating themselves or progressing today. Jon Steward and You both ignore Beck's premise for why he sees danger in where the country is and where it is heading.
Jon Steward's schlick was very funny. Beck is easy material to work with because of his over the top expressive style. What Steward didn't do is "destroy Beck's logic". He in fact didn't address Beck's basis for his reasoning.
In fairness to Steward his job is to be funny. You on the other hand seem to want to be willfully ignorant. I look foreward to your silence.
The first time I came across Glenn Beck, my thought was: "Lame...this guy doesn't hold a candle to Stewart or Colbert." I had no clue that he was actually meant to be serious...Poe's Law in action. He makes a complete ass of himself regularly.
I don't think Stewart is a moron, but I also don't think he is as unbiased as he claims he is.
I don't think anyone says he's completely unbiased. He does go after both sides but is left leaning for sure. One major difference that I've found is that I haven't seen Stewart use blatant lies and misinformation to back up his conclusions. Beck on the other hand, you can point to many many instances of such behavior.
Also... Beck's program is featured on a 'news' channel. Stewart appears on the comedy network. To expect them to have the same level of journalistic integrity is assinine. Never the less, the comedian still blows him out of the water in that category.
The main reason no one with a brain pays any attention to Glenn Beck:
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He says that America is “on the road to socialism” and that “God and religion are under attack in the U.S.” He recently wondered aloud whether FEMA was setting up concentration camps, calling it a rumor that he was unable to debunk.
At the same time, though, he says he is an entertainer. “I’m a rodeo clown,” he said in an interview, adding with a coy smile, “It takes great skill.”
He's about as knowledgable and subsequently as credible as that guy you met in that bar that time. It says a lot about someone when they actually believe the crap Beck puts out. It's on par with believing what you read in the National Inquirer.
I'm all for someone having an opinion, especially one I disagree with (how else am I supposed to learn something?). But please derive that opinion using your own brain and from influences that are some what credible.
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I'm trying to find this study, recently done that showed people even when faced with facts tend to become even more entrenched in their viewpoint instead of reconsidering their viewpoint.
I'm certain all of us are affected by this, I wonder what the spectrum would be however.. Always good to step back and rethink why we think the way we do and challenge it.
That's why I love CP, we have people here who are always challenging what I think and I think that's at least something, even if studies show our stubbornness to be a huge obstacle in our belief systems.
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In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds... They already have beliefs, and a set of facts lodged in their minds. The problem is that sometimes the things they think they know are objectively, provably false. And in the presence of the correct information, such people react very, very differently than the merely uninformed. Instead of changing their minds to reflect the correct information, they can entrench themselves even deeper.
A 2006 study showed that sophisticated thinkers were even less open to new information than less sophisticated types. These people may be factually right about 90 percent of things, but their confidence makes it nearly impossible to correct the 10 percent on which they’re totally wrong.
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I don't think anyone says he's completely unbiased. He does go after both sides but is left leaning for sure. One major difference that I've found is that I haven't seen Stewart use blatant lies and misinformation to back up his conclusions. Beck on the other hand, you can point to many many instances of such behavior.
Also... Beck's program is featured on a 'news' channel. Stewart appears on the comedy network. To expect them to have the same level of journalistic integrity is assinine. Never the less, the comedian still blows him out of the water in that category.
To extend your point: Stewart has never claimed being unbiased. Ever.
He is extremely prolific in explaining his opinion and bias. This alone puts him ahead of 90% of "journalists" - and he's a comedian.
But then, it's always the comedians who serve the reality check to us.
Stewart seems to emphasise that the Republics are very good at implementing all the wrong things.
He also demonstrates that the Democrats are incredibly poor at implementing all the right things.
He has regularly hammered Obama and the Democrats for being ineffectual. For example, he wanted Universal Health Care and thinks Obamacare is wrong in that it was watered down to appease the right wing of the Democrats. Watered down to the point of being almost useless.
I think if he considered the Republicans right and the Democrats wrong, FoL would find Stewart funnier. If he did a skit parodying Obermann FoL might like it.
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To extend your point: Stewart has never claimed being unbiased. Ever.
He is extremely prolific in explaining his opinion and bias. This alone puts him ahead of 90% of "journalists" - and he's a comedian.
But then, it's always the comedians who serve the reality check to us.
One last thing that I've seen Stewart do is admit a mistake in his conclusions or reasoning. I've seen very few TV personalities do this. I doubt Beck has but since I'm not an avid follower, I may be wrong.
In discussing the 'ground zero' mosque, he said it's wrong to limit other people's free speech rights, freedom of religion, etc, etc. He took that opportunity to apologize for the stance he took several years ago when he said it was in poor taste for the NRA to hold their rally in Colorado shortly after the Columbine incident.
A lot of other TV personalities never seem to admit their mistakes in logic like this.... 'We've always been at war with Eastasia'
