What do you know about the Roma?

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by amorak

The same reason for many vilifying Jews.

Some examples?

People are miffed with gypsies due to pickpockets and robberies.

[Clarkey]

How do you tell them apart?

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Well they were religious outsiders in the mostly Christian Europe, but their religion allowed them to lend money at interest to foreigners, whereas Christians were forbidden to do it.

http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/04usury.htm

Obviously when one cultural group can make money of our nothing by lending it when most of Europe is forbidden that can lead to some resentment.

The usury issue highlights some of the differences between the hatred of Roma vs hatred of Jews. Both Outsiders but it seems the Jews were stereotyped as profiteers whereas the Roma might be seen as thieves or beggars. Subtle difference I guess.

Did you just quote from that website? You should do some research...

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

That's part of what boggles my mind a bit: how is it this culture - that appears to be so nomadic, so reviled, and frankly so difficult to live as a part of - has managed to survive in this way for 900 years? What keeps people in it? How is it they haven't integrated to a greater degree? I can only assume it's because the culture is a strong one, there are all sorts of control structures built into it, and one of its primary characteristics is that it simply does not desire any form of integration.

A life with no responsibiliy. Sounds pretty fun to me. Perhaps when you live inside the lifestyle, you don't really care what others think.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by FireFly

A life with no responsibiliy. Sounds pretty fun to me. Perhaps when you live inside the lifestyle, you don't really care what others think.

I suppose it has some romantic appeal in theory, but the reality seems pretty unappealing to me.

It just seems odd no one in all that time stood up and said "you know, all this thievery, poverty, and being kicked out of places is great, but you know what might be even better in the long run? Not being poor and hated and subsisting off of crime or social assistance all the time. How about we all give that a go?"

Actually there are groups of Roma (as opposed to just individuals) who have done just that - it just seems weird they haven't all done it given the passage of time. But I guess that's where these strong cultural elements come into play.

[afc wimbledon]

In the UK there are romany, the five families I believe that make up 'real' gypsies, they have there own language and a royal family of sorts and mostly have settled down and live 'normal' lives, they have been in Britian since the middle ages.

The gypsies who actually travel around living rough out of trucks and campers are called tinkers and are almost all poor irish and have nothing to do with the roma.

Then there are a third group of 'travelers' who are a bunch of stoned dirty hippies dispised by all and pretending to be gypsies who travel from drug happenings and raves getting stoned, a sort of cold wet muddy mobile 'burning man'.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Did you just quote from that website? You should do some research...

No I didn't quote from that website. I linked to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loans_a...est_in_Judaism

There's some more links.

Are you doubting that Jews leant money at interest in the last 1000 years in Europe? Or that it affected how they were thought of? Because both those points I made seem to have some pretty solid support.

What made you consider the information in the link I provided to be completely worthless? Were all the quotes fabricated?

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

In the UK there are romany, the five families I believe that make up 'real' gypsies, they have there own language and a royal family of sorts and mostly have settled down and live 'normal' lives, they have been in Britian since the middle ages.

The gypsies who actually travel around living rough out of trucks and campers are called tinkers and are almost all poor irish and have nothing to do with the roma.

Then there are a third group of 'travelers' who are a bunch of stoned dirty hippies dispised by all and pretending to be gypsies who travel from drug happenings and raves getting stoned, a sort of cold wet muddy mobile 'burning man'.

We call those 'British Columbians' over here.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

No I didn't quote from that website. I linked to it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loans_a...est_in_Judaism
There's some more links.
Are you doubting that Jews leant money at interest in the last 1000 years in Europe? Or that it affected how they were thought of? Because both those points I made seem to have some pretty solid support.
What made you consider the information in the link I provided to be completely worthless? Were all the quotes fabricated?
I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at.

The hatred was not from Jews lending money, it was from the church telling people that what the Jews did was wrong. There is nothing wrong with lending money, until someone tells you it is wrong. There is also a much deeper history as to why the Jews were put in a position to lend money, a history that goes back 1000 years. Much of the history has to do with conquering nations leaving Jews behind to collect royalties. The links touch on that issue.

The key difference between jews and gypsies is that what the jewish people do did not harm anyone or affect their lives negatively (as far as I know). The condemnation of gypsies is due to a belief that they are getting robbed by them or they are a social burden (that ultimately cost the taxpayers money). Like I wrote earlier, I don't know what is truth and what is myth regarding gypsies being thieves. I think the similarity between dislike of gypsies versus jews (in particular the last few hundred years) is not valid for the reasons I mentioned.

The site you used earlier is not what you think...I think it may be one of those surreptitious hate sites disguised to look normal. I can't figure that site out, but I did dig a bit and found that it is malicious and not necessarily one that I would want to use.