were did you hear that number from? I didnt hear one yet
Drudge report links to a few articles.
From NYTimes:
"Officials do not make crowd estimates because they are unreliable and can be controversial, but event organizers put the number of attendees at 500,000; NBC News said it was closer to 300,000, but by any measure it was a large turnout. The crowd stretched from the Lincoln Memorial to the Washington Monument"
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I have a dream that white people will continue to control America.
I have a dream that Christian white people will continue to control America.
I have a dream that straight Christian white people will continue to control America.
I have a dream that straight Christian white people who control America will continue to watch FOX News.
I have a dream that straight Christian white people who control America will continue to watch FOX News and believe what I say.
I have a dream that straight Christian white people who control America will continue to watch FOX News and believe what I say and elect Sarah Palin as President of the United States.
I have a dream that straight Christian white people who control America will continue to watch FOX News and believe what I say and elect Sarah Palin as President of the United States so that taxes will be lowered and there will be no government intervention in our lives.
I have a dream that straight, ignorant Christian white men who control America will continue to watch FOX News and believe whatever I say and elect Sarah Palin as President of the United States so that taxes will be eliminated and there will be no government intervention in our lives; that the man who pays my salary, Rupert Murdoch, will never realize that he’s a fool for letting me say all the stupid things I say; that there will be no Mosque within three thousand miles of Ground Zero; that we will build a great wall around America so high that none of those unmentionables from the rest of the world will be able to crawl over it or tunnel under it; that my divorce and substance abuse will not disqualify me from being Sarah Palin’s running mate; that I can continue to fool most of the people all of the time and that I will continue to be paid millions of dollars each year for my TV antics, the books I publish, the questionable products I push, and that these riches of my life will continue forever in spite of my less fortunate viewers who must surely be blessed for their ignorance.
Amen.
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It is concerning that the rally had so much based around getting back to 'God'...when in fact there should be a separation of church and state, but I would be more concerned with the country going bankrupt, Iraq going to hell, nuclear armed Iran, Afghanistan, jobs, SS, etc, etc than I would about some protesters.
It is concerning that the rally had so much based around getting back to 'God'...when in fact there should be a separation of church and state, but I would be more concerned with the country going bankrupt, Iraq going to hell, nuclear armed Iran, Afghanistan, jobs, SS, etc, etc than I would about some protesters.
Where was the State at Beck's rally?
The whole idea of separation of church and State was not intended to be on the personal level. The idea was the government of the people were not to have any control over religious institutions and religious institutions were not to control the government. Personal and public expression of faith was not included in that call for separation. In fact the constitution protects such expression and practice.
The whole idea of separation of church and State was not intended to be on the personal level. The idea was the government of the people were not to have any control over religious institutions and religious institutions were not to control the government. Personal and public expression of faith was not included in that call for separation. In fact the constitution protects such expression and practice.
There was constant talk at the rally to get back to God, which is fine on a personal level, but there is a large portion of people in the US who actively try to promote religious ideals in the government.
I'm fine with them expressing their faith. I support that right.
It is concerning that the rally had so much based around getting back to 'God'...when in fact there should be a separation of church and state, but I would be more concerned with the country going bankrupt, Iraq going to hell, nuclear armed Iran, Afghanistan, jobs, SS, etc, etc than I would about some protesters.
Do you want Palin or some other hating incompetent in power to handle these problems?
I guess none of these people would be considered 'left-wing.'
Yeah, no such thing as left-wing terrorism. No such things as whackos on the left-wing. No such thing as left-wing militias.
You're reaching quite a bit here. Bill Ayers and Van Jones are front and center for your defense? Both were idea guys during their supposed radicalized years. Ayers was radical, what, 40 years ago? Jones was hardly radical at all. His inclusion is based on a talking point of Beck's where he twisted an interview with Jones and took several quotes out of context to slander the guy. I'll agree he is a leftist, but he spent most of his career working for the poor and disadvantaged. Jones' was the subject of a character assassination.
The inclusion of religious leaders Wright and Farrakhan is very strange. Farrakhan is a fascist, not a leftist. The only reason that anyone would include him on the left is because of the color of his skin and the segment of the population his fascist shtick promotes. Farrakhan is actually the right's problem, and proof that rightest extremism does come in all shapes, forms and colors. I'm still not sure how you can include Wright either. He really has nothing to do with any active political movement. I'll give you the black liberation theology, but that is more cultural than it is political. It's not like anyone on the left embraces Wright and seeks him out for policy advice. Not like the right does with the likes of Falwell, Graham, Hagee, Haggard, Dobson and Rekers. I consider Wright more like Phelps, who promotes a social agenda from the pulpit but is not overtly political or radical in any way.
It is also interesting how you decide to include Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional Puertorriquena, a pro-Puerto Rican nationalist group, on your list of American leftist organizations. The FALN was certainly active in the United States, 30+ years ago, but they were anti-establishment more than anything. You do realize this group attacked both conservative and liberal political establishments? They didn't care about a particular political ideology, they cared about what they saw as the liberation of their homeland. Seriously, attributing their actions to the American liberal perspective would be like attributing the actions of the Front de Liberation du Quebec to the Canadian liberals.
I think you're really reaching to find connections. I mean, you're presenting stuff that happened 40 years ago as proof of current activity and then mistaking certain social positions and causes with leftist ideology. I appreciate you trying to show some balance in the debate, but I think you've done the opposite, going to extremes and showing illogical links to make your point. It was a good effort, but I still don't see the same number of connections to radicalism and violent groups on the left as I do on the right.
The mood has certainly changed in the United States, and it is tense when Republicans are not the party of power. The left is more open and respectful of individual rights and has displayed that pretty consistently through Obama's term. Can you imagine what would have happened if someone showed up at an anti-Bush or anti-war demonstration with an assault rifle? I don't think that person would have been free to walk the crowd.
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I don't think so. I think she was just being sincere. Her and Sharpton were both on Fox last night. Sharpton looked like he had just been kicked. The worst complaint he could muster about Beck's rally was that he didn't deal with racial issues directly. His example was that Beck didn't renounce all those opposed to the Mosque being built at ground zero.
Anybody hear how many showed up at Sharpton's rally? I hav'nt heard anyone venture to guess a number. I hav'nt even seen a wide angle shot of the crowd.
Alveda is not cut from the same cloth as her uncle:
"Homosexuality cannot be elevated to the civil rights issue. The civil rights movement was born from the Bible. God hates homosexuality." King had been making public appearances throughout 1997 criticizing gay rights.
The uncle spread love, the niece spreads hate. She fits right in with Beck.
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