So about Glenn Beck's little 'Restoring America' Rally...

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

can you please give me examples of the people on the left who believe this and hold the same status on the left as the the Orielly,limbaugh,palin,bachman's do on the right?

I agree. Who on the left routinely calls people names like "feminazis" or "evirowackos" or "demoncrats"? The attack dogs on the right are far more aggressive than, say, the Micheal Moore's on the left.

[Calgaryborn]

The Democrats as a party have gone from Kennedy's famous "Ask not what your country can do for you but, what you can do for your country" to we have a right to own a house; We have a right to have an education; We have a right to health care; ect...

The Republicans have moved in that direction as well. They are probably more close to where the Democratic party was during Kennedy's time. They don't want Federal control of everything but, definately want Federal influence and money in all these areas.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I agree. Who on the left routinely calls people names like "feminazis" or "evirowackos" or "demoncrats"? The attack dogs on the right are far more aggressive than, say, the Micheal Moore's on the left.

I guess there is Al Franken, but is he even relevant anymore? I'm at a loss for who the "left" equivalent of those people would be.

[SeeBass]

I guess to be fair Congressman Alan Grayson tends to throw a few jabs now and then.

But his message does not contain lies to bolster his message.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The Democrats as a party have gone from Kennedy's famous "Ask not what your country can do for you but, what you can do for your country" to we have a right to own a house; We have a right to have an education; We have a right to health care; ect...

The Republicans have moved in that direction as well. They are probably more close to where the Democratic party was during Kennedy's time. They don't want Federal control of everything but, definately want Federal influence and money in all these areas.

Heaven forbid public education and healthcare are priorities of government.

The GOP and their privatization of public works is done to suck money from the middle and lower class.

[Devils'Advocate]

Uh....
http://franken.senate.gov/

And I don't think Franken was near as insulting as Limbaugh. Forceful yes. Opinionated yes. But insulting and degrading, I'm not so sure....

[SeeBass]

Imagine how scewed the seniors would be today if the republicans got their way and did privatized social security

[SeeBass]

Is it wrong to hope for an asteroid?

[troutman]

"Something beyond imagination is happening," he said. "America today begins to turn back to God."

I told you he was a televangelist.

'cause he helps put the fear of god
In the common man
Snatchin' up money
Everywhere he can
Oh yeah
Oh yeah

He's got twenty million dollars
In his heavenly bank account
You ain't got nothin', people

- Frank Z.

[HotHotHeat]

You know what's awesome? Beck is dead wrong. America is turning away from fanatical religious obsession. His brand is dying.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Nice leap!

No just ignore him till he is no longer leading a march and just becomes a nut lob taking a walk.

Well it sure as frack is pretty obvious that some of you are suggesting that Beck does so much damage that he should be censored because of his viewpoints and what he says.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Imagine how scewed the seniors would be today if the republicans got their way and did privatized social security

Yes, much better to let SS go bankrupt while the Democrats take money from it to fund their other 'programs.'

[Azure]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Heaven forbid public education and healthcare are priorities of government.

The GOP and their privatization of public works is done to suck money from the middle and lower class.

Geez man, why not just say that you love the Democrats and hate the Republicans?

Privatization of public works sucks money away from the middle and lower classes? I'd venture a strong guess that the screwed up tax code, something neither Republicans NOR Democrats does a lot more to screw over the lower and middle classes than any privitiziation of public works ever did.

The bias on here is astounding, but not really surprising. The US economy is faltering. Obama and the Democrats have spent the last two years, any if you want to talk about Pelosi and Reid, many other years before then, screwing over the US, and yet the GOP is at fault for every single problem the US is in?

Really?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

and the left don't believe in conspiracy theories like:

9/11 was a government plot
Bush created the Iraq war for Halliburton

How soon people forget the zealotry of the left during the Bush years.

Or my favorite on how the vast "right wing conspiracy" forced Bill Clinton to do naughty things with "that Woman" and lie about it on TV. and that was from the current administrations secretary of state and former senator.

The only reason the left hasn't done more is because they have only been in majority for 4 years

Clearly you don't understand. All those things are true. But when Beck complains about how the Obama administration and his czars are running the country bankrupt even faster than Bush and his two wars did, then you're just a crazy person.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

There is no way that Rachael Maddow belongs in the same category as these guys.
She makes her side obvious but will back up her view with facts she will never mislead intentionaly like the rest of this crowd.

Perhaps you were too young to listen to Air America back in the days while Bush was president.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Nice leap!

No just ignore him till he is no longer leading a march and just becomes a nut lob taking a walk.

Yes. And last time I checked, no 'right-wing' member on CP keeps making threads about Beck, Coulter or any other of the crazy 'right' that you keep ranting on about.

Maybe the enlightened left ought to shut up about him, because if these threads wouldn't exist, I wouldn't even have known there is a stupid rally planned.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Stimpy

One last point, that also follows flylock shox's post, just how many leftist militias are there out there? How many leftist attacks have taken place against the government or the people in general? How many leftist plots to wreak havoc on the population have been discovered and broken up? The answers are sobering.

I guess none of these people would be considered 'left-wing.'

Bill Ayers of the Weather Underground who didn't think his group went far enough in committing violence against the government.

Former communist and left wing extremist Van Jones, who recently had a makeover after resigning as Green Jobs Czar, and now sits on Princeton University's staff.

Rev. Wright who preaches black liberation racist theology and hatred of America.

Louis Farrakhan who promotes anti-white, anti-Semitic propaganda.

At the time of its dissolution, the FALN was responsible for more than 120 bomb attacks on United States targets between 1974 and 1983.

The Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) was an American self-styled left-wing urban militant group active between 1973 and 1975 that considered itself a revolutionary vanguard army. The group committed bank robberies, two murders and other acts of violence.

Oh look, a left-wing domestic terrorist on the FBI most wanted list.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/tersandiego_da.htm

From Karl A. Seger...

"...Left-wing groups were responsible for three-fourths of the officially designated acts of domestic terrorism in the United States during the 1980s. -- From 1980 to 1985, a five-year period when leftist domestic terrorists were most active in the United States, 173 terrorist incidents were recorded by the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1995). During the next 10 years, when right-wing extremists were most active, only 83 incidents were recorded (Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1995).

Yeah, no such thing as left-wing terrorism. No such things as whackos on the left-wing. No such thing as left-wing militias.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Azure

Geez man, why not just say that you love the Democrats and hate the Republicans?

Privatization of public works sucks money away from the middle and lower classes? I'd venture a strong guess that the screwed up tax code, something neither Republicans NOR Democrats does a lot more to screw over the lower and middle classes than any privitiziation of public works ever did.

The bias on here is astounding, but not really surprising. The US economy is faltering. Obama and the Democrats have spent the last two years, any if you want to talk about Pelosi and Reid, many other years before then, screwing over the US, and yet the GOP is at fault for every single problem the US is in?

Really?

I could respond with dozens of examples that show where the GOP guided the country into the problems it's in, but you would just respond with "I'm not here to defend the GOP". And so we would go around. It's really not worth it.

Two differing philosophies about the role of government, I'll accept that.

That said - Perhaps you could tone down the accusations and trouncing people with leftist stereotypes (ex. 9-11, 'enlightened', etc.). It immediately raises the hostility level. It also might do you some good to realize right wing talk radio is, without any thread of doubt, more destructive to a national conversation about moving past ideological differences than anything put forward by other types of radio programs (yes, Rachel Maddow included). I'm sure Beck himself would say he's more condescending in the way he speaks than almost anyone else on radio. I probably won't respond to anything you're going to say to me after this post, because, frankly, you're impossible to get through to.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

I could respond with dozens of examples that show where the GOP guided the country into the problems it's in, but you would just respond with "I'm not here to defend the GOP". And so we would go around. It's really not worth it.

Its not worth it because the US government, with all politicians included are the reason the US is where they are. That includes the GOP, AND the DNC.

Warren Buffet lately came out and said he pays 17.5% of his income to taxes. Going rate for most people is 30%. He then challenged anyone on the Forbes 400 list to disprove him, saying he would donate $1 million dollars to a charity of their choice if they could prove him wrong. Nobody took him up on his offer.

Now, I'm not a big believer in taxes, but if you are going to have a tax code, it should be as fair as possible, and on a personal level, either everyone pays the 17%, or everyone pays the 30%.

What has the DNC ever done to fix that? What has the GOP ever done to fix that? They CREATED it.

As for the rest of the problems the US has, the biggest one that lead to this recession was the banking laws, which trace back to the days of Jimmy Carter. How about you go look that up and come back and tell me that the DNC has their hands clean when it comes to screwing over the US?

Two differing philosophies about the role of government, I'll accept that.

Actually, no. My philosophy on government does not revolve around the Glenn Beck love-in. I have never listened the man, nor have I ever watched his show in my entire life. I do not particularly like his 'style', but I would imagine that a lot of the things he does bring up are valid. Much like what people like Maddow said after the invasion of Iraq were also valid, or her disagreement with different Bush policies over the years(NCLB).

That said - Perhaps you could tone down the accusations and trouncing people with leftist stereotypes (ex. 9-11, 'enlightened', etc.). It immediately raises the hostility level. It also might do you some good to realize right wing talk radio is, without any thread of doubt, more destructive to a national conversation about moving past ideological differences than anything put forward by other types of radio programs (yes, Rachel Maddow included). I'm sure Beck himself would say he's more condescending in the way he speaks than almost anyone else on radio. I probably won't respond to anything you're going to say to me after this post, because, frankly, you're impossible to get through to.

When people want to deny that the 'left-wing' has had their share of lunatics over the years, it comes across that one side puts themselves up on a pedestal, where they're the holy ones, they're the enlightened ones, and their side never did anything wrong, and yet those evil right-wing scumbags.

Secondly, when you're the one who keeps starting threads about Glenn Beck, or any other of these 'right-wing' talk show hosts, don't start crying to me how they should be ignored. Like I said, I don't listen to Beck. I don't listen to Coulter. I don't listen to Hannity. When I want to be amused I listen to Micheal Savage and laugh while he bitches about the world. I don't subscribe to their POV, because those are the SAME people who defended Bush when he carried out many of the SAME policies that the DNC just keep supporting.

If you believe that Beck is so damaging to the 'people', and he needs to be ignored, why do you bring him up?

I said it in a different post. If not for CP, I wouldn't even have known there is a rally.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Azure

If you believe that Beck is so damaging to the 'people', and he needs to be ignored, why do you bring him up?

If there is a man with an audience saying things that I disagree with, preaching a message I disagree with, my best option is to ignore him and go about my business?

I take it that you take issue with Sir Edmund Burke and his quote should have been:
"All that is necessary FOR THE DEFEAT OF EVIL is for good men to do nothing"