Italian Citizenship Question

[amorak]

If your dad was born before February 15, 1977 in Canada, he INSTANTLY lost any italian citizenship by law. So there is no way you were born while your father had italian citizenship or right to it. The chain is broken instantly there, this is why no italian canadians can do this, thanks to canadian citizenship laws that resulted in renunciation of citizenship (solely canadian) until Feb 1977.

[narbeZ]

That's from wiki isn't it? Myitaliancitizenship.com words it abit different. They say that a continuous chain does not matter. Only for the first ancestor who immigrated to your native country. From what I gather if I get citizenship all the people in my direct line to my gg nazareno also become citizens. Which in my case would be my mom and grandfather.

[amorak]

I don't know what to tell you - Enjoy your well-shaven drive to Edmonton to find out you're as italian as some made in china pumas... That's just not way it works, you should have spent 5 minutes on the phone with a citizenship lawyer in town instead of a website that wants your money?

[amorak]

without losing the Italian citizenship before death in order to being able to continue the jure sanguinis chain

Until 1977, the instant your grandpa, dad, whoever, got Canadian Citizenship, he instantly lost his Italian citizenship. Thus, the chain mentioned above breaks. This is Why

1) No one does this, as you are finding out

2) Why you don't use interwebsites that want cash to make citizenship decisions.

It'd be great if people spent less time shaving and more time using common sense.

[narbeZ]

You sound a bit resentful for some reason Amorak. I'm just as clueless as the next guy about this process. Do you know these things for a fact through experience or are you just laying down wikipedia article knowledge?

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by narbeZ

You sound a bit resentful for some reason Amorak. I'm just as clueless as the next guy about this process. Do you know these things for a fact through experience or are you just laying down wikipedia article knowledge?

I wouldn't trust what he says. He sounds like he doesn't shave. You should find out for yourself from clean shaven people!

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

I wouldn't trust what he says. He sounds like he doesn't shave. You should find out for yourself from clean shaven people!

Which is probably why he wants to drive to Edmonton to make sure the person he talks to has shaved that day.

[amorak]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Your father needs to have been an Italian citizen when you were born also, I believe? I went this route but was denied because my father (born in Italy) got his Canadian citizenship about four years before I was born.

Here's why - you've been given a straight example - It's a chain, wiki says its a chain... it's broken by stupid sole-citizenship policies of the early-to-late 1900's that had you lose one cizitenship the second you took another...There was no such thing as dual citizenship. So your great grandpa had to have had your grandpa before he got Cdn citzenship (which you said is true), but then your grandpa had to have italian citizenship when your dad was born. Since your g-pa was born here, he had Canadian citizenship at birth and did not have italian citizenship - Thus the chain is broken.

It's meant to be seen like this:

As long as an italian citizen has a child while being an italian citizen, that right of birth is passed to the child. That DID occur for your ggpa, but your gpa did not provide the same for your dad, by virtue of your gpa being born here a Canadian citizen with no italian citizenship. His right to italian citizenship is correct, as you say, but he never got it. You can't go back and use that to complete jure sanguinis. Your dad did the same, even though the chain was brokken by his dad, to you.

You are applying false logic by thinking you can go tell the consulate that your great grandpa was an italian citizen when your grandpa was born, and then, irrespective of the chain breaking, twice with your grandpa and your dad then you and your dad, that somehow it's still together.

[amorak]

Look at it another way - If what you're saying is true, then anyone, know matter how far removed, if they had a family tree, could have italian citizenship and thus free passage in the EU. This would be a beacon for people all over the world to easy access to the EU for work and travel (and lets face it, italians like to get it on, so there are lots of ancestors).

Sorry man, the main take away is that jure sanguinis is a chain. It was broken because of Canadian citizenship laws when your gpa was born. Of course these is general comments, I am sure there's something special in your situation that gets your entire past 3 generations italian citizenship.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Which is probably why he wants to drive to Edmonton to make sure the person he talks to has shaved that day.

Of course in Edmonton the guy probably has. They're fastidious in Edmonton about grooming. Their mullets always have to be perfectly coiffed!

[narbeZ]

Jure sanguinus means right by blood. I don't know where you getting all this continuous chain of Italian citizenship but from the sites I've been reading the only chain you need is by blood and that the first ancestor that immigrated didn't naturalize until after their sibling that you are inheriting the italian blood through was born.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Did he officially renounce his Italian citizenship, or does that matter for Italy? When my father became a Canadian citizen, he never officially renouced his Bosnian citizenship and after talking to the new Bosnian ambassador, they said that they still recognize him as a citizen of Bosnia. They also said that the naturalization process for me could be relaxed if I wanted to make a case for citizenship, however I have not pursued it yet. I might though... I bought some land there recently.

I think it's the same deal that others are talking about, before 1977 you renounced your Italian citizenship when you took another (in this case, Canada).

It's too bad because I originally thought it was a slam dunk case. Everybody on my dad's side was born in Italy, including my dad himself. But no EU for me.

Thankfully I didn't spend any money on lawyers to find this out, but it took quite a bit of research online to make sure I got it right.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by narbeZ

Jure sanguinus means right by blood. I don't know where you getting all this continuous chain of Italian citizenship but from the sites I've been reading the only chain you need is by blood and that the first ancestor that immigrated didn't naturalize until after their sibling that you are inheriting the italian blood through was born.

Your father (or mother?) needs to have been an Italian citizen when you were born. If there were no circumstances where he/she may have "renounced" it unwittingly you may have a case.

[JustAnotherGuy]

If you get this dual citizenship thing can you please do one thing. If you are in Italy and there is some kind of disaster. Please don't cry and whine for Canada to save you.

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Of course in Edmonton the guy probably has. They're fastidious in Edmonton about grooming. Their mullets always have to be perfectly coiffed!

You can't have a ratty mullet in a waxed and polished El Camino. That wouldn't be cherry.

[bcb]

I recently took out Italian citizenship. It was a tedious process:
1.) prove lawful employment in North America (I.E. Waste Management usually works for this purpose)
2.) Demonstrate track pants fashion
3.) Eat pasta in bed
4.) Prove that total number of cousins > 400
5.) "I caught you rifling in my humidor, you say something about 'bugs' and now you've rented this expensive yacht for the afternoon. What gives?"