08-19-2010, 02:49 PM
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Had an idea!
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A Texas-based group, American Atheists, successfully sued five years ago to have the nonprofit memorial project scrapped, and the crosses removed from public property.
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Pretty pathetic.
Half the crosses I know of were put there by people who aren't even religious.
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08-19-2010, 02:52 PM
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Franchise Player
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Yeah, this is pretty pathetic. Most atheists that I know buy their atheism on the cheap. It's just petulant adolescence, as one can see through the example of this Texas group.
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08-19-2010, 02:52 PM
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Not the 1 millionth post winnar
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Los Angeles
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Don't think there's anything "sucky" about not wanting to live in a theocracy. Roads are public property, which means I have the right not to be subjected to symbols of religion.
If you want religion to pervade your government, move to the middle east.
Great decision.
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08-19-2010, 02:52 PM
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First Line Centre
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I guess if we were keeping score it would be
Christian fundementalists 100-Atheists 3
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08-19-2010, 02:52 PM
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extremist groups, regardless of "denomination", suck.
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08-19-2010, 02:53 PM
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
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I hate god but that is just crazy.
Even if it was tax dollars they are memorials to dead troopers. Unless one of the dead troopers they are memorializing wasn't christian and his family is mad I don't see why anyone cares.
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08-19-2010, 02:54 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
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Its wierd this group hasn't targeted the "In God we Trust" on american currency yet.....
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08-19-2010, 02:55 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Flashpoint
Don't think there's anything "sucky" about not wanting to live in a theocracy. Roads are public property, which means I have the right not to be subjected to symbols of religion.
If you want religion to pervade your government, move to the middle east.
Great decision.
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Hahahahah. What exactly is theocratic about putting up crosses in memorial of fallen highway troopers. Hilarious and ludicrous.
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08-19-2010, 02:56 PM
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Not the 1 millionth post winnar
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
I hate god but that is just crazy.
Even if it was tax dollars they are memorials to dead troopers. Unless one of the dead troopers they are memorializing wasn't christian and his family is mad I don't see why anyone cares.
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From Article:
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most of the deceased troopers were Mormon, where the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints does not uses the cross as a religious symbol
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08-19-2010, 02:56 PM
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Why did it have to be a cross? Why not a plaque in the shape of the badge the toopers wear with law enforcment symbols, a picture, etc etc etc?
God didn't pay for those roads.
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08-19-2010, 02:57 PM
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Scoring Winger
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I think a donut shaped memorial would be more fitting.
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08-19-2010, 02:58 PM
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Not the 1 millionth post winnar
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by peter12
What exactly is theocratic about putting up crosses in memorial of fallen highway troopers.
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The public is forced to see them. They were huge, and unavoidable. I don't want my government supporting that (or any religion).
If you want to memorialize dead troopers on public land, put up a plaque, billboard, or plant a tree. Don't force religion on people.
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08-19-2010, 02:58 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
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I would distinguish the "freedom from religion" people from your garden variety atheists. The former are myopic, and the latter are very laissez faire.
When I listen to a Freedom From Religion type podcast, it does not sound very different from a fundamentalist religious show. In fact, many of the FFR types were formerly religious fundamentalists. These are narrow-minded people who only see the world in black and white terms.
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08-19-2010, 02:58 PM
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Norm!
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Reading through the comments field is actually pretty sad, including the obligatory cop hater that we see on every internet medium.
These were privately funded memorials and yes they were on public land, but they were memorial symbols not prayer symbols in this case.
The atheists that sued should focus on their issues with actual religion in public schools and government instead of coming across as petty disrespectful douchbags.
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08-19-2010, 02:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flashpoint
The public is forced to see them. They were huge, and unavoidable. I don't want my government supporting that (or any religion).
If you want to memorialize dead troopers on public land, put up a plaque, billboard, or plant a tree. Don't force religion on people.
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I'll say it again, your position is ludicrous and adolescent.
This sort of atheism is just petulant and obscene.
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08-19-2010, 02:59 PM
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Not the 1 millionth post winnar
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil
Its wierd this group hasn't targeted the "In God we Trust" on american currency yet.....
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From the article:
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The justices in 1947 said the government needed to be "neutral" but "not an adversary" toward religion. The court has upheld legislative chaplaincies, tax exemptions for churches, and the mention of "God" on U.S. currency and in oaths of office.
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08-19-2010, 02:59 PM
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One of the Nine
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale
Why did it have to be a cross? Why not a plaque in the shape of the badge the toopers wear with law enforcment symbols, a picture, etc etc etc?
God didn't pay for those roads.
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I think that in the western world, the international symbol for a grave is a cross. Maybe people that aren't christian need to stop being so anal about the symbol. It's no stupider than the religious dumasses that argue that marriage is a man and a woman and "why cant they just call it a civil union".
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08-19-2010, 03:00 PM
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Not the 1 millionth post winnar
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by peter12
I'll say it again, your position is ludicrous and adolescent.
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Feel free to address the points when you grow up. I'll ignore your attacks till then.
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08-19-2010, 03:00 PM
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First Line Centre
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^^^ many atheists do
If I was a Yank I would support the movement.
It was only added in the late 50's it is not some "founding father" tradition.
Goverment and church are supposed to be sepaerate ,of course we all know this, but for some reason it gets a pass
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