CP Hostility Levels

[puckluck]

Posters who keep talking about the olden days are the problem. It's like they are bitter that their precious CP has been taken over by noobs like myself. Every time I've heard a old time user on here mention the olden days it seems like they want to cry. Instead they just go on a witch hunt for users with only a couple months on CP and try to bash them untill they get banned or just leave.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

lol, that's just an overly nostalgic view of things.

The level of discussion is lower, because there are more people, but the name calling way back when (before your join date) was amazing.

Maybe so but I remember when Cheese and I could discuss religion for 20 pages before the name calling started. There was a certain respect for the process even if you didn't agree with the poster.

[peter12]

To the OP, probably true, but it's the Internet. Besides this place has always been boatloads of seething hatred.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

You didn't have to egg him on, though. He was more than often the one doing the egging.

Most of the people he went after helped paint their own target on their back IMO - but he definitely held grudges.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I miss Lanny - he brought the level of discussion up IMHO. Definitely made some posters here more honest.

He also insulted people, including Bingo all the time.

But I agree, he kept things interesting. Bit of twat though like MMF said.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Posters who keep talking about the olden days are the problem. It's like they are bitter that their precious CP has been taken over by noobs like myself. Every time I've heard a old time user on here mention the olden days it seems like they want to cry. Instead they just go on a witch hunt for users with only a couple months on CP and try to bash them untill they get banned or just leave.

Clearly you weren't here during the old days.

[puckluck]

This Lanny guy seems like a hero to you guys. Can someone link his profile page?

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Azure

Clearly you weren't here during the old days.

You are a grade A example of what I was talking about.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by puckluck

This Lanny guy seems like a hero to you guys. Can someone link his profile page?

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/member.php?u=15

[Azure]

Originally Posted by puckluck

You are a grade A example of what I was talking about.

Seriously, the threads from pre 2005 have all been pruned, and its a crying shame because some of those political threads were awesome.

The olden days were awesome, but I also like a LOT of new members.

My only problem is that CP seems to have turned into more of a 'chat room' these days, and a lot of people aren't taking the time to type out a worthy post.

I mean I know you guys love to rag on Peter, but the fact is even if he did get a bit douchy, he still does contribute a lot to the board.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I think this summer's hostility can be quite easily explained.

Last year people had high expectations especially after getting the free agent coup of the summer in Bouwmeester. They then had their expectations shattered, the supposed franchise defenseman traded, and nothing really positive to dwell on. Well actually the Flames became one of the best defensive teams in the league but that isn't really an accomplishment that your average fan would note.

So the psychological response is to turn against the team, to track down and isolate the problems. For many it became Sutter. For some it became specific players. It then becomes trendy to dump on the Flames and particularly Sutter and more and more people start piling on.

Now consider that his board is the nexus or meeting point for a wide variety of fans. Here you will find fans who were Flames addicts through the lean years of never making the playoffs. Some of them take the long view and things now are 100x better than the Coates era. You have casual fans some of whom take their opinions on the Flames from the water cooler or Eric Franics or Dowbiggen. You have everything in between. Some people hate the direction the Flames are going and have come up with that idea on their own. Some people are just repeating what some of the media is saying. Some people don't understand the cap implications of various moves that Sutter has made and try and evaluate it based on the old best player in the deal theory.

So you have a bunch of upset fans venting. Some intelligently, some not. And they are doing it on a forum that is also populated by some of the most knowledgeable Flames fans out there. Its an almost inevitable clash. Some fans wanted big changes no matter what they were. The Tanguay and Jokinen deals are bound to disappoint many because they don't represent anything we haven't seen before. Some fans can't comprehend how a team that didn't make any big changes might improve offensively.

What is different about this summer from the dark era is that more people care. And more casual fans care. From the Stanley Cup run expectations were permanently raised. People want heads to roll. People want fingers pointed. The answer that Sutter gave that the team merely needed to be retooled or tweaked is seen as folly even if it may be reality. Then the rhetoric intensifies. Sutter is an idiot. Battle lines are drawn. Expert posters who've seen that Sutter is no idiot become more defensive. Ridiculous arguments are heard for months and months straight without end from different people. It wears on everybody.

Interesting topic actually, there's a lot to be said about the psychology of certain types of Flames fans, Sutter's press conferences and moves, and why that has led to a big clash on the board this summer.

[Kybosh]

I hated everyone in 2005 and I still hate everyone in 2010.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Azure

Seriously, the threads from pre 2005 have all been pruned, and its a crying shame because some of those political threads were awesome.

The olden days were awesome, but I also like a LOT of new members.

My only problem is that CP seems to have turned into more of a 'chat room' these days, and a lot of people aren't taking the time to type out a worthy post.

I mean I know you guys love to rag on Peter, but the fact is even if he did get a bit douchy, he still does contribute a lot to the board.

But people should not expect any site to stay the same for 9 years(?) The internet has grown a lot since then, and I don't know a single person who doesn't have a computer.

And I don't mind reading Peter12's posts at all. I don't usually agree with everything he says, but at least he brings the level of intelligent discussion up.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

His posts were fairly constructive.

However, if you did try to egg him on, he happily obliged... which obviously led to his own demise...

He was a hater. He hated on players like the Sedins and Flames players alike (I'd love to see his current reaction to the Sedins since he always insisted they would never amount to anything.) During the dark times haters brought a certain balance to Flamesland. The Flames sucked. Hardcore fans tried to find positivity in certain things, perhaps blind optimism in others. When the Flames sucked and their prospects weren't that amazing, haters turned out to be right a shocking amount of time and could actually have been seen as realists or realistic.

These days Flames haters abound again because of the bitter disappointment of last season missing the playoffs. He'd fit right in!

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

He was a hater. He hated on players like the Sedins and Flames players alike (I'd love to see his current reaction to the Sedins since he always insisted they would never amount to anything.) During the dark times haters brought a certain balance to Flamesland. The Flames sucked. Hardcore fans tried to find positivity in certain things, perhaps blind optimism in others. When the Flames sucked and their prospects weren't that amazing, haters turned out to be right a shocking amount of time and could actually have been seen as realists or realistic.

These days Flames haters abound again because of the bitter disappointment of last season missing the playoffs. He'd fit right in!

The scary part is, maybe he already is . . .

[peter12]

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[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Lanny never left.

You're probably kidding....but there is a poster who joined shortly after Lanny left, whose views (especially on the Flames) are eerily similar to his. A lot less inflamatory, but almost the exact same style poster and he, like Lanny did, posts quite often. I would bet good money it's him, a guy like Lanny wouldn't just walk away from CP.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

You're probably kidding....but there is a poster who joined shortly after Lanny left, whose views (especially on the Flames) are eerily similar to his. A lot less inflamatory, but almost the exact same style poster and he, like Lanny did, posts quite often. I would bet good money it's him, a guy like Lanny wouldn't just walk away from CP.

Is he still here?

There was a similar poster who got banned a while back for apparently being Lanny. Not sure though.

[peter12]

I thought Lanny started another forum with JohnnyFlame?

[Cain]

Thats why I just have been lurking for the past 9 or so years!

(actually its only because by the time I read something that I want to respond to, 99/100 times somebody has already said what I was going to say but they articulated it much more eloquently than I would have.)