Intersection right of Way Question

[speede5]

The problem is the rules don't cover every situation so you may never find this precise one layed out in any book or manual. The person turning left should have right of way by virtue of having arrived first, but if the other person initiates then the person turning left has to give way simply because he would be turning in front.

Courtesy would be for the straight through car to yield but we all know how that works.

I think your scenario would end up being fought by both parties and end up 50/50.

FWIW in the street view the left turning vehicle is going first!



Also all you yield to the right people, how do either of these opposing vehicles yield to the right?

[squiggs96]

If the person turning left is a female, and you are a male, you have to let them turn left. Otherwise, it'll be the same as if you didn't give up your seat on the CTrain to a female. You will be the ultimate neanderthal and all those who let the female turn left will be true gentlemen. Luckily a 12 page thread will ensue.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...ht=giving+seat

[DuffMan]

This whole scenario GMG.

From the YKWRGMG's thread

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=633

[The Yen Man]

I've always been taught to use the "safety of the driver" rule when it comes to these situations. So basically, if I'm turning left, I should always yield to the person going straight because in the chance that we get into an accident, I would be hitting the driver of the person going straight, and that person would be hitting the passenger side of my car. This also applies to if two people come to a 4 way stop at the same time.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

if i twist the scenario a bit where myself and the left turner are now on mcivor and he is turning left in front of me, he has to wait for me to clear the intersection before he can turn safely.

That's because he would be crossing the path of oncoming traffic.

A car that is stopped at a stop sign is not oncoming traffic, it is stopped. Turning in front of a stopped vehicle is not crossing his path.

[HOOT]

This is how ICBC sees it: http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing...d/drivers4.pdf (bottom of page 5)

Exactly what I was saying, if the car going straight has the right of way if they stop at the same time but if the person turning left is already proceeding (meaning they were there first) into the intersection then the person going straight must wait until it's clear.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by HOOT

This is how ICBC sees it: http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing...d/drivers4.pdf (bottom of page 5)

Exactly what I was saying, if the car going straight has the right of way if they stop at the same time but if the person turning left is already proceeding (meaning they were there first) into the intersection then the person going straight must wait until it's clear.

And if the car turning left arrived first (meaning they were there first) and the car across arrives after but they both wait for traffic to clear it is the car going straight that gets the right of way.

Only way the car going left gets the right of way is if he goes before the guy going straight comes to a complete stop.

[Shazam]

If the other driver's a girl with really nice breasts, I let her go first.

[Art Vandelay]

Originally Posted by HOOT

This is how ICBC sees it: http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing...d/drivers4.pdf (bottom of page 5)

Exactly what I was saying, if the car going straight has the right of way if they stop at the same time but if the person turning left is already proceeding (meaning they were there first) into the intersection then the person going straight must wait until it's clear.

This is from the ICBC document that you linked.

If two vehicles are stopped at a two-way stop and one of the
drivers wants to turn left, this driver should yield the right-of-way
to the other vehicle. The only exception is if the left-turning
vehicle is already in the intersection and has started to make the
turn. In this case, the other vehicle must yield.

It doesn't get much simpler than that.

[photon]

Jives with the link I posted too.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

This is from the ICBC document that you linked.



It doesn't get much simpler than that.

So, we've established what the law in BC is, but in Alberta it's still a gray area.

Still that law opens itself up to lots of grey areas. If I want to turn left, all I need to do is to proceed a little bit to take the right of way away from the driver going straight. I suppose that's how it works. If we proceed at the same time, the left turner has to wait for the straight goer. That's not really different that what either side has been saying, I don't think.

IMO, it's clear from that section (for BC anyway) that whoever proceeds from the intersection first has the right of way. So, pretty much how it works out in reality.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

So, we've established what the law in BC is, but in Alberta it's still a gray area.

Still that law opens itself up to lots of grey areas. If I want to turn left, all I need to do is to proceed a little bit to take the right of way away from the driver going straight. I suppose that's how it works. If we proceed at the same time, the left turner has to wait for the straight goer. That's not really different that what either side has been saying, I don't think.

IMO, it's clear from that section (for BC anyway) that whoever proceeds from the intersection first has the right of way. So, pretty much how it works out in reality.

Dude I think you are making this way too complicated.

If someone is turning left, they are allowed to do so as long as there is no one with a right of way that trumps theirs.

This happens when traffic going perpendicular to the intersection occurs, as spelled out in the OP, the people with no stop signs at all. It also occurs when there is a car who is already stopped going straight.

The key is that if the car proceeding straight has yet to come to a complete stop he has no right of way. The second that car comes to a complete stop his right of way kicks in and he now has the right of way over the guy at the other side of the intersection who is planning to turn left.

However, if there is a car who has already entered the intersection they have the superseding right of way and the guy going straight has to go after him.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

However, if there is a car who has already entered the intersection they have the superseding right of way and the guy going straight has to go after him.

Exactly what I'm saying. ROW is to whomever proceeds first. The left turner merely has to start proceeding to get ROW, unless the straight driver proceeds at the same time.

[DuffMan]

So if I'm turning left, and I got there first, and the intersecting traffic is going from my R -> L that would open it up for me to get into the intersection first, as the car going straight would have to wait a split second longer. ergo, I have right of way. If traffic is going my L -> R, then the other driver would be able to get into the intersection first, so they would have right of way.

[SilverGS]

I was thinking the same thing. Just sounds like first one in wins.

[Art Vandelay]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

So if I'm turning left, and I got there first, and the intersecting traffic is going from my R -> L that would open it up for me to get into the intersection first, as the car going straight would have to wait a split second longer. ergo, I have right of way. If traffic is going my L -> R, then the other driver would be able to get into the intersection first, so they would have right of way.

No, the only way the left turner goes first is if he/she are already in the intxn and turning prior to the straight thru driver stopping. If the straight thru driver and the left turner are both stopped at the same time, the straight thru driver gets the ROW.

[Bill Bumface]

Jesus Christ people. This isn't worth 5 pages of discussion.

If you are both waiting (as the OP mentioned) straight through has the ROW.

Of course if you haven't stopped yet and there is a car in the intersection you have to yield to them. What are they going to do, stop mid turn and put it in reverse to go back to the stop sign and wait for you?

[JustAnotherGuy]

I was taught that if you have any doubt the person on the right has the right away.

In this scenerio who is the person on the right?

If the person is turning left the other fellow will be on his right. So the person turning left gives up the right of way to the other person.

Understanding that are signs saying otherwise those must be followed first.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Exactly what I'm saying. ROW is to whomever proceeds first. The left turner merely has to start proceeding to get ROW, unless the straight driver proceeds at the same time.

Please share with us what type of vehicle you drive. It will help us stay out of your way....

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Please share with us what type of vehicle you drive. It will help us stay out of your way....

One with four wheels. Sometimes one with two.