Intersection right of Way Question

[malcolmk14]

From the Driver's handbook:

A driver turning left across the path of an approaching vehicle cannot make the left turn until it is safe to do so.

It doesn't specify whether or not that applies at opposing stop signs. However, since there is no section for 4-way intersections with two stop signs, I assume the rule applies since it's not explicitly stated otherwise.

Originally Posted by HOOT

Treat it like a four-way stop. Person arriving first has the right away, if they arrive at the same time the person going straight has the right of way. Simple.

Looks like THIS is why we have so many accidents

[Jimmy Stang]

I'll let the straight-through car go first, unless they're sitting there like a struggler. Then I'll just slip in and be on my way while they sit there and look left, look right, look left again, look right again.

I won't assume that I have the right of way while turning, however, so if they start to make a move I'll let them have it.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

Left turning would be at fault for that accident. I believe in courtesy but if the left turner knows how to drive proper your courtesy will screw him up and slow things down.

Yielding and Stopping
Right of way at intersections
95(1) Except as otherwise provided in this Part, when 2 vehicles
approach or enter an intersection from different highways at
approximately the same time the driver of the vehicle to the left
shall yield the right of way to the vehicle on the right.
(2) A driver intending to turn left across the path of any vehicle
approaching from the opposite direction shall not make or attempt
to make the left turn unless the turn can be completed in safety.

This is for driving through a controlled intersection not a two-way stop.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

Once the accident happens you will argue that you arrived first where I won't have to, it will be a fact that you turned left in front of me.

I don't know about that...

Originally Posted by From the basic drivers handbook

A stop sign means that your vehicle must come to a full stop.

Once you have stopped, check the intersection carefully for
pedestrians and other traffic. When safe, continue on your way.
There are rules about where you must stop your vehicle when

you come to a stop sign.

Seems to me that you have to wait until the intersection is clear and not plow into vehicles that were there first.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

I don't know about that...



Seems to me that you have to wait until the intersection is clear and not plow into vehicles that were there first.

Obviously you can't just run the stop sign going straight through.

You are turning left and get there first but traffic is coming, I pull up going straight through and stop. Finally all traffic clears, you turn left and I go straight and hit you, you are at fault.

Edit: Also without witnesses to say I didn't stop at the stop sign the left turning vehicle doesn't stand a chance.

[Ducay]

Straight has RoW, unless Pinner is to your right.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

Obviously you can't just run the stop sign going straight through.

You are turning left and get there first but traffic is coming, I pull up going straight through and stop. Finally all traffic clears, you turn left and I go straight and hit you, you are at fault.

I don't think so but it is a pretty interesting scenario. I'd like to hear what an officer would say because I can't find anything from Alberta Transportation on it.

[REDVAN]

If I am going straight, and someone is turning left, then I have the right of way.

If I am turning left but someone going straight has come up opposite me, I still have the right of way.

REDVAN!

[Bill Bumface]

I'd like to know how many people in this thread think they are good drivers. Because by my count at least 5 of you are most definitely not.

The person going straight has the right of way. It's not a 4-way stop.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

nvm

[frinkprof]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Treat it like a four-way stop. Person arriving first has the right away, if they arrive at the same time the person going straight has the right of way. Simple.

Why would you treat it like a 4-way stop, when it isn't? If it were meant to be treated as a 4-way stop, they would have marked it as a 4-way stop.

Originally Posted by HOOT

This is for driving through a controlled intersection not a two-way stop.

The intersection being discussed is a controlled intersection. The stop signs are controlling it.

Originally Posted by Traffic Safety Act

(ss) ”traffic control device” means any sign, signal, marking or device placed, marked or erected under the authority of this Act for the purpose of regulating, warning or guiding traffic;

[getbak]

I was taught that when two people have an equal level of right-of-way, it reverts to first-stop, first-go.

If it was a 4-way stop with no cross-traffic, the first person stopped would have the right-of-way whether they were going straight or turning. Making the cross streets free-flowing shouldn't change the right-of-way of the vehicles controlled by the stop signs.

What about if there was no cross traffic and the person was stopped on the other side as you rolled up, and started to turn before you had even stopped? Should he have to wait for all of the other 3 directions to be completely clear before proceeding?

[Jackpot_Smooth]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

Left turning would be at fault for that accident. I believe in courtesy but if the left turner knows how to drive proper your courtesy will screw him up and slow things down.

Yielding and Stopping
Right of way at intersections
95(1) Except as otherwise provided in this Part, when 2 vehicles
approach or enter an intersection from different highways at
approximately the same time the driver of the vehicle to the left
shall yield the right of way to the vehicle on the right.
(2) A driver intending to turn left across the path of any vehicle
approaching from the opposite direction shall not make or attempt
to make the left turn unless the turn can be completed in safety.

i've heard general rule of thumb is yield to the vehicle on the right unless affected by traffic control devices.

[Rhettzky]

Yeah, my bad. I just looked at this in street view and I had the wrong scenario in my head. Straight through definitely has the ROW here.

Street View

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

From the Driver's handbook:

The line you quoted there is part of the section "uncontrolled intersections" and does not apply to this scenario.

Nether does that section of the law that Reakwon posted apply here, IMO, Since it does not assign ROW to either of the vehicles. We already know that vehicles turning left across the path of another vehicle when niether of the vehicles has a stop sign, the vehicle turning left must only proceed to turn left when it's safe to do so.

What's safe to do, and who has the right of way are different questions.

[Barnes]

First person to the line has ROW. If you get there at the same time, figure it out yourselves but hurry the fata up.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

The big thing for me is that if 2 cars have both been fully stopped waiting for traffic to cease then it is obvious that the car going straight has the right of way.

However, if there isn't traffic and I stop first and I'm turning left and there is a car approaching the stop sign across from me - and they haven't stopped yet - I immediately go and here is my reasoning. There is no right of way for them because they have not yet arrived at the intersection. Even if the other guy is slowing down and close to the stop sign he has not yet stopped. Until he does stop he has no right of way, he needs to stop first and then assess the right of way. By the time he does that I'll be halfway through the intersection already and by the time he hits the gas I'm probably out of the way. As long as I'm progressing through the intersection before the other guy has stopped I think I maintain the right of way turning left.

But as I said, if we are both stopped and waiting it is obviously the guy going straight.

[Antithesis]

This thread is evidence of the need for re-testing whenever you need to renew your Driver's Lisence.

The person going straight through the intersection has the right of way. Only four-way stops work in the "whoever got their first" manner, unless you are Pinner.

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

I'd like to know how many people in this thread think they are good drivers. Because by my count at least 5 of you are most definitely not.

The person going straight has the right of way. It's not a 4-way stop.

Everyone thinks they are a good driver. And if they aren't sure how "good" they are, they are usually old ladies, who then claim they are "safe" drivers.

It's like George Carlin- think how dumb the average person is and then remember that half the people are dumber than that.

This of how BAD the average driver is, and then remember half are worse.

Over the years, I've come to realize I'm not as good as I once was. AKA even at mid-20s my skills (or perhaps my perception of skills) has gone down. My vehicle is the limiting factor on a lot of how I drive, and I've learnt to get places in the most efficient manner rather than the absolute fastest no matter what.

I am still an aggressive driver- and by that I mean I will be assertive, rather than dangerous. If someone is lolly-gagging I will honk, go first, or do whatever it takes to get away from them. In a safe-ish manner.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

This thread is evidence of the need for re-testing whenever you need to renew your Driver's Lisence.

The person going straight through the intersection has the right of way. Only four-way stops work in the "whoever got their first" manner, unless you are Pinner.

No one has yet provided any section of the law or the drivers handbook that actually applies to this situation. Unless someone can show that the law does say who has right of way, we will have to assume that the ROW order is the one that doesn't lead to someone turning left potentially having to sit at an intersection all day because they never have the right of way.