Nickelback

[the crispy badger]

have you picked up "B-Sides & Rarities yet Peter?...I had to pay quite a bit for it but they some amazing songs..the acoustic version of The Mercy Seat, What a Wonderful World, etc..

[Cheese]

Originally posted by moon@Oct 9 2005, 10:14 PM
Because it is better than the crappy indie music out there.


I tend to find indie groups are crappy and not popular in mainstream for good reasons. I also find many, not all, people seem to like these types of groups because it is "cool" to like them. Not saying that is the case with people here but I do get tired of hearing people be condescending and act like they are better then me because they like some band that has only sold 20 records and I like a mainstream group.

right on moon.
Although there are a few indie bands that deserve some attention, the reason they arent mainstream is because their music...well...it sucks. I try very hard to keep an open mind regarding music and Nickleback doesnt deserve the crap that is heaved on their shoulders. For MANY years Canada had nothing but Anne Murray and old Guess Who songs played anywhere outside Canada. Now that we have many groups who have hit the mainstream successfully why would we knock them down? I prefer Nickleback to The Bare Naked Ladies, yet TBNL are quite popular as well. Any hate on for them?

There doesnt have to be some inate cerebral justification to listen to music, as long as it makes people want to sing and dance to it it will be successful. I think Nickleback has done that in spades with a standard riff that everyone knows simply by listening. Good on them for being successful AND Canadian!

[Freeway]

Eh, Nickelback's OK. They're not going to reinvent the wheel or anything, but they're good for cranking out bland unassuming alt-rock.

The new album's the exact same as every other Nickelback album: Listenable, but nothing to write home about. Go buy the new Franz Ferdinand instead.

[transplant99]

I have never understood people telling other people what kind of music to like/support/listen too.

Isnt the beauty of music, indeed all arts, in the eye/ear of the beholder?

Music snobs crack me up. Maybe YOUR choice of liking/disliking a particular band, is the one that sucks???

[MarchHare]

Ultimate comedy here: http://www.nintendorks.com/brandon/t...lbacksucks.mp3

Put some headphones on and listen to that. It's all the proof anyone needs that Nickelback is a bloody terrible band. It's two different Nickelback songs played at the same time, one in the left channel and the other in the right (hence the need to use headphones). They match up so perfectly it may as well be the same song.

And yeah, The Weakerthans are really damn good.

If you want to support talented Canadian musicians, check them out or any of the below:

The Arcade Fire
Broken Social Scene
Danny Michel
Death From Above 1979
Godspeed You Black Emperor
Hawksley Workman
Metric
Stars

[MarchHare]

Originally posted by transplant99@Oct 11 2005, 09:30 AM
I have never understood people telling other people what kind of music to like/support/listen too.

Isnt the beauty of music, indeed all arts, in the eye/ear of the beholder?

Music snobs crack me up. Maybe YOUR choice of liking/disliking a particular band, is the one that sucks???

I'm going to disagree with this.

I'm not going to begrudge anyone from liking a crappy band...hey, whatever makes you happy, but that doesn't mean there's no such thing as a crappy band. There's millions of people who love terrible films like Deuce Bigelow and Armageddon, but that doesn't make them any less of bloody awful movies. It's entirely possible to say objectively that a movie, tv show, or band is derivative, formulaic, and untalented regardless of how popular they are.

[Papa Gino]

They were a good band, but their aura seems to have worn off on me so I don't feel as interested as I used to be.

[transplant99]

It's entirely possible to say objectively that a movie, tv show, or band is derivative, formulaic, and untalented regardless of how popular they are.

Says you.

Who are you to determine that? Are you the "god of what's good and what's bad"? Are you judging it because of a music background/expertise/critic or whatever turns your particular crank?

I hate Arrested Development, don't find it funny nor particularly clever...do i tell others to not watch it? I dont think its a very good show...does that make it true?

And if there are millions of people who like something, and your perhaps in the minority that doesn't, is it not you that may be wrong?


If I like something and think it's good, and you don't....who's right?

[Cheese]

Originally posted by MarchHare@Oct 11 2005, 11:32 AM
Ultimate comedy here: http://www.nintendorks.com/brandon/t...lbacksucks.mp3

Put some headphones on and listen to that. It's all the proof anyone needs that Nickelback is a bloody terrible band. It's two different Nickelback songs played at the same time, one in the left channel and the other in the right (hence the need to use headphones). They match up so perfectly it may as well be the same song.

And yeah, The Weakerthans are really damn good.

If you want to support talented Canadian musicians, check them out or any of the below:

The Arcade Fire
Broken Social Scene
Danny Michel
Death From Above 1979
Godspeed You Black Emperor
Hawksley Workman
Metric
Stars

well isnt that a beauty of a list you provided.

Other than one..maybe two songs.. Arcade Fire is putrid. Hot indie band though...but they will inevitably fade away because they dont offer mainstream music.

Listened to pieces of most of the others too except Broken Social Scene, Godspeed You Black Emperor & Hawksley Workman.

I can pretty much guarantee you that Nickleback will be around long after these groups die a quick death.

[habernac]

Originally posted by transplant99@Oct 11 2005, 09:30 AM
I have never understood people telling other people what kind of music to like/support/listen too.

Isnt the beauty of music, indeed all arts, in the eye/ear of the beholder?

Music snobs crack me up. Maybe YOUR choice of liking/disliking a particular band, is the one that sucks???

damn right, T99.

It's the same with beer snobs. I love the "You drink --->insert beer here?!?" Who cares? Does the guy like the beer? Yes! So what's wrong with that?

The only thing wrong with poor Nickleback is that the radio plays their songs to death.

[MarchHare]

Who are you to determine that? Are you the "god of what's good and what's bad"? Are you judging it because of a music background/expertise/critic or whatever turns your particular crank?

I'm a musician, and thus I'm able to appreciate other talented musicians better than most people. Does that mean other people are wrong to like the music they do? Absolutely not, musical taste, as I mentioned, is entirely subjective...but it doesn't mean it's any good if one looks at it objectively.

If someone claimed that Cory Cross was a better defenseman than Rhett Warrener, could you not say they were absolutely wrong and be correct in that sentiment? You'd probably call them an ignorant Oilers homer, and you'd be right. Likewise, I can tell someone who likes Nickelback that there are many more talented bands out there, and I'd be right.

There are people who think that a Big Mac combo is better than a five course meal from a fine French restaurant.

That's their opinion, but they're objectively wrong.

There are people who think that Home Alone is a better movie than Citizen Kane.

That's their opinion, but they're objectively wrong.

There are people who think that Baywatch is better than 24.

That's their opinion, but they're objectively wrong.

And yes, there are people who think that Nickelback is better than...well, almost every other band.

That's their opinion, but they're objectively wrong.

[Deelow]

Originally posted by Cheese@Oct 11 2005, 04:08 PM
well isnt that a beauty of a list you provided.

Other than one..maybe two songs.. Arcade Fire is putrid. Hot indie band though...but they will inevitably fade away because they dont offer mainstream music.

Listened to pieces of most of the others too except Broken Social Scene, Godspeed You Black Emperor & Hawksley Workman.

I can pretty much guarantee you that Nickleback will be around long after these groups die a quick death.

Well I agree the list given is quite fashionable and it's very easy to like The Arcade Fire nowadays, I believe you are underestimating their potential. People like Bowie, Bono and Chris Martin are raving over this band and it's not because it seems like it's a cool thing to do.
Here's the lead story from a leading UK music puplication
http://www.nme.com/news/the-arcade-fire/21217
It may not be Mainstream music but it's close enough that they've been able to gain Major Canadian radio success on 2 singles from Funeral. That's more than what many Canadian "Mainstream" bands can say.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Deelow@Oct 11 2005, 12:19 PM
Well I agree the list given is quite fashionable and it's very easy to like The Arcade Fire nowadays, I believe you are underestimating their potential. People like Bowie, Bono and Chris Martin are raving over this band and it's not because it seems like it's a cool thing to do.
Here's the lead story from a leading UK music puplication
http://www.nme.com/news/the-arcade-fire/21217
It may not be Mainstream music but it's close enough that they've been able to gain Major Canadian radio success on 2 singles from Funeral. That's more than what many Canadian "Mainstream" bands can say.

There have been literally hundreds of indie bands over the years that have been raved about at one time or another. That still doesnt make them mainstream...OR successful. It just means that "some" people in the media like them.
I loved Bowies mainstream stuff....but he has put out a lot of crap too.

As to MarchHares comments...I was a musician too...my son is a musician...so is Walter Ostaniuk and Anne Murray and many others. Id bet the majority would disagree on the formulaic style of the bands you listed. You chose those bands because thats the style you like pure and simple. As to the Big Mac vs the Five course meal thang...maybe its more like a Thai meal choice vs an Italian?

[JiriHrdina]

Music snobs bug me. But I have horrible taste in music - a quick glance through my CDs will horrify many! None the less, people should feel free to like whatever they like.

That being said - I am a huge movie snob. I fully admit that I look down at people that lineup to see the latest Jerry Bruckheimer movie but refuse to give a great indie film a chance.

So yes - I am a hypocrite.

[CMPunk]

Originally posted by habernac@Oct 11 2005, 10:09 AM
damn right, T99.

It's the same with beer snobs. I love the "You drink --->insert beer here?!?" Who cares? Does the guy like the beer? Yes! So what's wrong with that?

The only thing wrong with poor Nickleback is that the radio plays their songs to death.

I blame the CRCT for all the Nickleback hate. If Canadian radio sations didn't have all the canadian content issues, bands like Nickleback wouldn't be so overplayed. "They're popular, they're canadian, so lets play them over and over because they fill a need." Blame the stations for being lazy and not going out and trying to find something new.

[Deelow]

Originally posted by CMPunk@Oct 11 2005, 05:48 PM
I blame the CRCT for all the Nickleback hate. If Canadian radio sations didn't have all the canadian content issues, bands like Nickleback wouldn't be so overplayed. "They're popular, they're canadian, so lets play them over and over because they fill a need." Blame the stations for being lazy and not going out and trying to find something new.

Nickelback is hated plenty outside of Canada too.
Wasn't How You Remind Me the most played song of 2002 in the states? They have no CanCon requirements there.

[kermitology]

Originally posted by Cheese@Oct 11 2005, 10:08 AM
I can pretty much guarantee you that Nickleback will be around long after these groups die a quick death.

Broken Social Scene have been around longer than Nickleback I would wager, and they are incredibly popular in Toronto and surrounding areas. You'd be surprised how well indie bands can stick around. BSS will long outlive Nickleback once people get tired of hearing the same old songs over and over again.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by kermitology@Oct 11 2005, 02:13 PM
Broken Social Scene have been around longer than Nickleback I would wager, and they are incredibly popular in Toronto and surrounding areas. You'd be surprised how well indie bands can stick around. BSS will long outlive Nickleback once people get tired of hearing the same old songs over and over again.

LOL..ok but I mean outliving in the public eye...playing in pubs or dinky little halls across Canada isnt exactly what I was referring to. As to the people get tired of listening to stuff....tell that to the Guess Who...and no Im not trying to comare the bands.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Cheese@Oct 11 2005, 11:32 AM
Id bet the majority would disagree on the formulaic style of the bands you listed.

I'm not too familiar with the other bands he listed, but Death From Above 1979 is far from formulaic. It's a bass player and a drummer. I've never seen that formula before.

And for all Nickleback fans, I really like Ashlee Simpson's music. Those people that like Nickleback and laugh at Ashlee Simpson are just music snobs.

Fair enough?

[Cheese]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Oct 11 2005, 02:57 PM
I'm not too familiar with the other bands he listed, but Death From Above 1979 is far from formulaic. It's a bass player and a drummer. I've never seen that formula before.

And for all Nickleback fans, I really like Ashlee Simpson's music. Those people that like Nickleback and laugh at Ashlee Simpson are just music snobs.

Fair enough?

whatever turns your crank sir Rouge...you can dance to her wearing that lovely pink teddy and a big fuzzy boa!