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Old 08-12-2010, 11:01 AM   #561
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In an interview with the New York Daily News, Bosh admitted that he became tired of constantly facing questions as to where he intended to play this upcoming season, and decided to have some fun with the fans.

"If you think about how many times somebody asks you, 'How are you,' that's how many times I was asked, 'Where you going?'" Bosh told the Daily News on Wednesday. "So it's like, well, in my case, I'm going to have fun with it. I'm going to play with people's emotions. I'm going to be high and low."
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Boo-osh?

What an ass.
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Bosh is a TOOL!!! I lost all my respect with this guy. When he signed with Miami Heat, I don't have any problem with it and I understand his reasoning. Nothing wrong with wanting to win the championship and his chances improved big time by picking Miami to play with Wade and Lebron.

Now, he started yapping disrespecting the organization who gave him the opportunity to be a star player and the Raptor fans. Everytime he open his mouth these days nothing is coming out right. CB Crap...learn some manners and stop talking.
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Bosh is a TOOL!!! I lost all my respect with this guy. When he signed with Miami Heat, I don't have any problem with it and I understand his reasoning. Nothing wrong with wanting to win the championship and his chances improved big time by picking Miami to play with Wade and Lebron.

Now, he started yapping disrespecting the organization who gave him the opportunity to be a star player and the Raptor fans. Everytime he open his mouth these days nothing is coming out right. CB Crap...learn some manners and stop talking.
Coangelo has come out looking even worse to everyone other than Raptor fans. Not only has he been a terrible GM but now he shows everyone that he is an ass as well.

I haven't seen anything from Bosh that has been that bad.
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Coangelo has come out looking even worse to everyone other than Raptor fans. Not only has he been a terrible GM but now he shows everyone that he is an ass as well.

I haven't seen anything from Bosh that has been that bad.
Seriously?

He openly admits that he played all his fans and got them all in a tizzy for his own entertainment??

If that's the way an athlete things, he can go shove it up his ass, in my honest opinon.

Where would he be without his fans? I hope him and the rest of the Miami Heat fail miserably.
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Seriously?

He openly admits that he played all his fans and got them all in a tizzy for his own entertainment??

If that's the way an athlete things, he can go shove it up his ass, in my honest opinon.

Where would he be without his fans? I hope him and the rest of the Miami Heat fail miserably.
He said that he was annoyed by all the talk about it and instead of letting it get him down had fun with it instead.

There was no reason for fans to get all worked up about it during the season when he wasn't saying anything of importance or making his decision on what he was going to do.

Hopefully the Heat win the next 5-6 championships and shove it up all the bitter fans of loser franchises asses.
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He was annoyed by all the talk? The guy updated every little detail of his life all summer to the public and has to be one of the biggest fame whore athletes out there.

It's always been obvious Bosh is a whore for the limelight and know that he's getting some attention (which has nothing to do with his actual skill set or any accomplishments) he's spewing some of the dumbest interviews known to man.

If I was Bosh, I'd be more concerned about making sure Lebron and Wade are in perfect health, getting them water, waiting on them hand in foot, because without both of them playing all star basketball, Chris is nothing.
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He was annoyed by all the talk? The guy updated every little detail of his life all summer to the public and has to be one of the biggest fame whore athletes out there.

It's always been obvious Bosh is a whore for the limelight and know that he's getting some attention (which has nothing to do with his actual skill set or any accomplishments) he's spewing some of the dumbest interviews known to man.

If I was Bosh, I'd be more concerned about making sure Lebron and Wade are in perfect health, getting them water, waiting on them hand in foot, because without both of them playing all star basketball, Chris is nothing.
Nothing?

He just made All-Star teams, US teams and was a highly sought after max FA while playing with garbage teams and dumb coaches based on his name alone?

I know people are bitter that the only decent player the Raptors had is gone but no reason to go Oiler fan on him.
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I think it's sad that this summer has become a sort-of nuclear wasteland for the Raptors and anyone attached to them.

Colangelo was already poorly thought of amongst the league before he went on that anti-Bosh rant (regardless of whether you think he was right or not). Unfortunately, though it was his comments, it makes the entire organization look bad, kind of like the K-Lowe Show up the highway.

Bosh's earlier comments don't really bother me; I think in his own poorly worded way he was speaking fondly of the city and our country. People were getting upset about him saying that it's different up here - well, it is - just like when I go down to the States and it just doesn't feel right ... enough small differences add up to tell you that you are in some alien place. These comments (the "I got bored of the 'where are you going' question so I started jerking people around) make him look like a real dink, and will make it very hard to cheer for him in the future. I was ready to cheer for him and Wade (though not LBJ, that's not going to happen) until this came out. At best, a horribly worded and unfortunate statement. It reminds me of the grandstanding people sometimes engage in here, thinking it'll make them sound cool until some levelheaded person comes along and tells them what a schmuck they are.

Don't even get me started on Hedo and those failed trades. Just a horrible summer all-around for Raptors fans.
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Really how much of it is Colangelo's fault here? Aside from getting too many Euro's, I don't blame a single thing on him. His trades to get a star or semi-star players (Hedo, O'Neal, Marion), just did not work out. They were excellent deals for the most part, at the time. This off-season's moves simply fell through, not because of his own fault at all, but because of the things the other teams involved did. How can we blame the guy in this case? His comments of Bosh in many ways were to simply say, "hey, the franchise can move on without him"...it wasn't fabricated and it wasn't malicious, it was just the truth. Certainly he hasn't done everything right, but he definitely tries and doesn't stand for losing. There have been plenty of players who actually have publically said how much of a good guy he is (namely Jermaine O'Neal). The city in general is what a lot of players have a "problem" with, but the second the franchise starts winning, is the second that whole aura changes (like back in the VC days). Quite simply, if you got rid of Colangelo, there is absolutely nobody out there who is a better replacement.
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Found this clip posted at RF, supposedly its from his DVD he released.

I don't like the guy but this is quite funny. The sandwich slapping, bike stealing, the shake by the kid who was gonna school him.

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Really how much of it is Colangelo's fault here? Aside from getting too many Euro's, I don't blame a single thing on him. His trades to get a star or semi-star players (Hedo, O'Neal, Marion), just did not work out. They were excellent deals for the most part, at the time. This off-season's moves simply fell through, not because of his own fault at all, but because of the things the other teams involved did. How can we blame the guy in this case? His comments of Bosh in many ways were to simply say, "hey, the franchise can move on without him"...it wasn't fabricated and it wasn't malicious, it was just the truth. Certainly he hasn't done everything right, but he definitely tries and doesn't stand for losing. There have been plenty of players who actually have publically said how much of a good guy he is (namely Jermaine O'Neal). The city in general is what a lot of players have a "problem" with, but the second the franchise starts winning, is the second that whole aura changes (like back in the VC days). Quite simply, if you got rid of Colangelo, there is absolutely nobody out there who is a better replacement.
He has failed to bring in a single above average player to play with Chris Bosh in his whole time here. The reasons his moves didn't work is because he brought in guys that were bad fits.

Turk was a soft, euro that dominates the ball and exactly the type of player they didn't need. O'Neal already showed signs of wearing down and it wasn't a shock that he didn't do well. Marion was always a best fits as a 3rd banana and was a total creation of playing with Steve Nash.

Even if his moves this off-season worked out the guys he is getting aren't making the Raptors a play-off team and were somewhat redundant.

The problem with Coangelo's statements this off-season was that he a. lied in saying that they provided Bosh with a good supporting cast and b. called him out for quitting on the team. The first part is just a flat out lie as he did the opposite or providing Bosh with a decent supporting cast and the second even if it were true there is no proof of it and it doesn't look good to other players.

I have heard nothing but good things about Coangelo the person but as a basketball GM his Raptor teams have gotten worse every year that he has been here, he has failed to bring in quality players and the so-called quality players he has brought have been bad fits or just bad players, he seems content on bringing in 2nd/3rd rate talent and passing them off as starters and a lot of these issues are the same problems he had when he was a bad GM in Phoenix.

I have a hard time believing that there isn't another GM out there that couldn't make his team worse each year while eventually building the team into a bottom 5 team in terms of talent.
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Found this clip posted at RF, supposedly its from his DVD he released.

I don't like the guy but this is quite funny. The sandwich slapping, bike stealing, the shake by the kid who was gonna school him.

That is actually pretty funny.
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Charles Barkley with a killer radio interview where he blasts 'King' James and the other two as being punks:

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Four NBA teams have agreed to to a five-player trade that will send Trevor Ariza to the New Orleans Hornets and Darren Collison to the Indiana Pacers, two league sources said.

In the trade, the Houston Rockets sent Ariza to the Hornets, who in turn will send Collison and James Posey to the Pacers.

The Pacers sent Troy Murphy to the New Jersey Nets. And the Nets sent Courtney Lee to the Rockets.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5455472

This takes out one of the main place the Raptors could have sent Calderon, with Indiana now having Collison.

The Raptors also made a deal sending Belenille to the Hornets for Julian Wright.
This is the problem I have with players running the league. They think they know what's best, but they really don't.

Ariza is a "name" player but he isn't very good. Yet, NO gave up a rising star in Collison just to placate Paul. Ariza will most likely hurt NO in both the short and long terms.
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This is the problem I have with players running the league. They think they know what's best, but they really don't.

Ariza is a "name" player but he isn't very good. Yet, NO gave up a rising star in Collison just to placate Paul. Ariza will most likely hurt NO in both the short and long terms.
I agree with your position on the players running the league nowadays. And I agree with your general assesment of Ariza in the state of Game, yet not with your feeling about his future with NO. I think he may wind up successful with a guy like CP running the show. He is a good perimeter shooter and has a lot of length, like a mini chandler, so that make a few highlight reels. HOwever, will he stay healthy?

Another thing, how come the Rockets' GM, Darryl Morey, isn't criticized for dealing a player who was a FA signing veritably one year ago like BC is for the Speedo deal by some fans? That seems like an unfair deal.

I like BC still. I think that Derozan and ED are shrewd selections from a skilled talent evaluator. I think BC does come up short though in assembling real chemistry by virtue of this team's short comings. So, the fans should prepare for a stinker this year but that will land a shot at a couple of big time prospects and add that to the other promising young players the team has and hope for a new young core to emerge in 12. If they can do that perhaps our playoff fortunes will change.

The problem with the players running the league, I think stems from everyone being too 'friendly' with one another. There is no nastiness in the game anymore. Shaq in his prime was the last of a special era where not only were guys talented but they were pro's pro's who didn't let nice get in the way of their competitive drive. He was and is the only son of Jor-El. Howard is nothing like Shaq. He's too concerned with being a media darling. I actually think the closest teams that resemble any significant essence of that era are the Lakers and the Celtics. It's no surprise to me though, since Doc and Phil have taught their teams well and have been as successful as they are during the last decade. I think teams that could become like that are Chi, Mil, and I thought that cleveland was with LBJ, but he bought the hype about the best teams needing 2+ superstars debate. I tend to as well, so we'll see if any of these 3 can check their ego's like the best 'sidekicks' of all time.

I'm going to miss CB's media savvy, 'you look like Joe Dirt on Valentine's Day!'
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Another thing, how come the Rockets' GM, Darryl Morey, isn't criticized for dealing a player who was a FA signing veritably one year ago like BC is for the Speedo deal by some fans? That seems like an unfair deal.
Because Ariza didn`t hurt the Rockets last season the way the Turk helped tank the Raptors season and the Rockets got a decent, cheap young talent back in the deal rather than the poo poo platter that the Raps got back for a huge money signing in Turk.

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I like BC still. I think that Derozan and ED are shrewd selections from a skilled talent evaluator. I think BC does come up short though in assembling real chemistry by virtue of this team's short comings. So, the fans should prepare for a stinker this year but that will land a shot at a couple of big time prospects and add that to the other promising young players the team has and hope for a new young core to emerge in 12. If they can do that perhaps our playoff fortunes will change.
How has he shown that he is a skilled talent evaluator and what have either selection shown other than Davis fell a few spots because he has little to no offense?

Also what promising young players does the team have?
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I like BC still. I think that Derozan and ED are shrewd selections from a skilled talent evaluator.
Picking the best athlete on the board when the team has no athletes doesn't give him any shrewdness points.

His talent evaluations regarding veteran players (and big salaries) is awful, and he consistently overpays in trades with throw-ins like giving up first rounders in the O'Neal/Marion debacle.

Coangelo is a very poor GM.

I'll echo the sentiments of moon, let's not go Oiler-fan on Bosh because he was the team.
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Hmmm. where to start...

How about ariza and hedo. Well the only thing we didn't get for the deal that Ariza acquired was cheap young talent, as you say moon. However, Barbosa is a nice piece to acquire for Hedo. LB is a speed demon on the perimeter, something that Jose will never be.

I also don't think that Hedo sabotaged anything other than his own rep. He just wasn't a good fit in the offense. He is effective with the ball in his hands, but JT charged that to Jack and Jose. I wonder how hedo will do with Nash dominating the ball such as he does.

As far as BC is concerned; I think his selections of Marion, Barbosa,DeRo, ED and Stoudemire highlight his penchant for the athletic selection. I think it's shrewd, the strategy he employs, by selecting the best athlete. I think both of his latter two selections, he could have went with the better productive players but went athletic. To me that's shrewd.

And ED doesn't get top 3 consideration last year after a bad skill set. He injured himself and didn't recover in time to show off his offensive game. You will be surprised. Plus, the young players like Sonny and Amir were pretty good moves. Your disdain aside, it isn't as you say moon, again.

As far as his veteran acquisitions, I am in accord. I think he has done a poor job of outfitting this team with suitable veteran talent. I think the Barbosa move will salvage some of his rep, provided he plays well: 70 gp, 15ppg.

I didn't really say that BC was a good architect, but rather a good prep talent evaluator. I think a rebuilding squad suits his skillset. I want us to tank this year, so I am fine with the state of this team and their underwhelming management. I miss Glen Grunwald.
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I agree with your position on the players running the league nowadays. And I agree with your general assesment of Ariza in the state of Game, yet not with your feeling about his future with NO. I think he may wind up successful with a guy like CP running the show. He is a good perimeter shooter and has a lot of length, like a mini chandler, so that make a few highlight reels. HOwever, will he stay healthy?
I think it has a chance of being successful, but he is not a good shooter as evidenced by his 32% career 3 pt%. Unfortunately, the biggest mistake is that rather than build your team with rising stars and then filling it in with complementary pieces, they traded one of their best assets just to get someone that could possibly fit in along-side Paul.

I liken this to what happened in Cleveland. For several years, they took on bad contracts (O'Neal, Jameson, Wallace etc.), while trading away draft picks and their own expiring contracts, and where did it leave them? Mediocre talent, and now no LBJ either. Rather, if the GM didn't just listen to James, he could have built up from the ground up, like the shrewd early trades for Williams and West, before the King Lebron hype got out of control.

Going back to the New Orleans situation, they've basically gone all in on mediocre talent, with the very real risk that Paul will leave when he becomes a free agent. If Paul does leave, I know I'd much rather have Collison than Ariza. In the same vein, if Collison does continue his development, then they actually have a better chance to win in the short term as well. I'm not railing on Ariza, but to give up someone with that much potential, would be like the Flames giving up Backlund to get, say, Ponikarovsky - a solid 50pt player that will give you a couple good years, replacing Backlund who many on this site believe has ~50pt potential for the next couple years as well.

The opposite of this, is the Lakers. Kobe demanded talent for almost two years before the right deal came along. The Laker's brass stood firm, and because of that, they were able to find the right fit and win championships.

PS. re-reading everything I think you might actually agree with me on most points. Just clarifying why I think the NO trade is very poor.
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