Tattoos

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Oh please, spare us. This has nothing to do with that.

This has to do with a CPS member getting a sh*tty ass tattoo. If you're going to get a tattoo, get something that doesn't suck.

I can't see the tattoo, so if it's clearly very bad then the comment may be warranted.

How can anyone on here be the decider of what is a bad tattoo for someone else. I've seen tattoos that I think are horrible, but the person who has it, loves it. It's their choice

The real thing I find odd, is why should it matter what he does for a living, as long as the tattoo is not offensive?

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Why?

Why not?

Why does it matter to you?

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

Why not?

Why does it matter to you?

It doesn't matter to me. I was curious about why he would get that tattoo. Plus it was a bit of test question. He answered my question directly which satisified my curiousity. He also passed the 'test' but you failed.

Originally Posted by AFireInside

I can't see the tattoo, so if it's clearly very bad then the comment may be warranted.

How can anyone on here be the decider of what is a bad tattoo for someone else. I've seen tattoos that I think are horrible, but the person who has it, loves it. It's their choice

The real thing I find odd, is why should it matter what he does for a living, as long as the tattoo is not offensive?

While I agree, there isn't a lot of people that will openly admit they hate their tattoo considering they just paid to have it permanently etched into a body part.

There are however a lot of people that 15 years down the road they wonder wtf they were thinking when they made that decision.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

I can't see the tattoo, so if it's clearly very bad then the comment may be warranted.

How can anyone on here be the decider of what is a bad tattoo for someone else. I've seen tattoos that I think are horrible, but the person who has it, loves it. It's their choice

The real thing I find odd, is why should it matter what he does for a living, as long as the tattoo is not offensive?

People have certain expectations for police officers. One of those expectations is that they have good judgment. Bad tattoos = Bad judgment.

The tattoo in question happens to be a reference to a couple of characters in a movie. The characters are (apparently) vigilante killers and they have similar tattoos to the tattoo in the above picture. Maybe not the best thing.

But whatever, I don't care about this tattoo, and it wouldn't bother me if I was dealing with the guy. Some people would be bothered though.

That being said... in the bigger picture -- I don't care if the tattoos are inoffensive or not, if I'm hiring a dog walker or housepainter and one guy has a tattoo on his neck and one guy doesn't, the guy without the tattoo gets the job, all things being equal.

If I'm hiring an accountant, a schoolteacher or a retail clerk, tattoo-neck-guy doesn't get considered even if he's overqualified.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

It doesn't matter to me. I was curious about why he would get that tattoo. Plus it was a bit of test question. He answered my question directly which satisified my curiousity. He also passed the 'test' but you failed.

Meh.. I "failed". Sorry but when I read your post it seemed a little bit y. One of those situations where the tone of the question would have been helpful.

Real easy to pull out the "I was testing you card", when he actually had a good answer as to why he was getting the tattoo.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

People have certain expectations for police officers. One of those expectations is that they have good judgment. Bad tattoos = Bad judgment.

The tattoo in question happens to be a reference to a couple of characters in a movie. The characters are (apparently) vigilante killers and they have similar tattoos to the tattoo in the above picture. Maybe not the best thing.

But whatever, I don't care about this tattoo, and it wouldn't bother me if I was dealing with the guy. Some people would be bothered though.

That being said... in the bigger picture -- I don't care if the tattoos are inoffensive or not, if I'm hiring a dog walker or housepainter and one guy has a tattoo on his neck and one guy doesn't, the guy without the tattoo gets the job, all things being equal.

If I'm hiring an accountant, a schoolteacher or a retail clerk, tattoo-neck-guy doesn't get considered even if he's overqualified.

Yeah like I posted I can't see the picture.

A neck tattoo is one thing, clearly many in society are not open minded enough to deal with that, I get it, that's a poor decision on that person's part. Of course all the former inmates with neck tattoos aren't helping that group of people either! lol...

I would have some reservations when you get into neck tattoos as well I think, but anywhere else (other than face) and I have zero problem. Even with the neck, if the person is clearly qualified, I may just scrutinize the background check a little more closely, but of course that depends on the tattoo and the job....

I guess I can see the point, when you see real bad tattoo work, you think homemade, prison, etc. Thats going to make a bad first impression of course.

I have close to 100 hours of tattoo time at this point. I have a university degree, (double major), I have a professional job, and I'm working on a program from UBC currently as well. I keep my stuff hidden at work, but I personally think thats crap.

My work is VERY well done by one of the best in Canada (at least according to an earlier post ), so I guess I'm lucky there.

Of course, I've gotten into these threads before, and we all have our opinions.. I"m sure I've posted this post several times at this point!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

I would have some reservations when you get into neck tattoos as well I think, but anywhere else (other than face) and I have zero problem. Even with the neck, if the person is clearly qualified, I may just scrutinize the background check a little more closely, but of course that depends on the tattoo and the job....

Face, neck, hands. Anywhere else (even visible) I don't care, but in those locations I immediately think "this guy has been in jail" or "this guy wants me to think he's been in jail, and wants me to think he is tough, and he wants everyone to think that about him, at all times".

So he's either been in prison and documented it for all to see, or he spends every waking moment trying to impress on people how badass he is, and is therefore a ######.

Or I guess there is a third option -- the guy really is a badass tough guy who rides a motorcycle and doesn't want my stupid dogwalking accountant job anyway, and for those guys, neck tattoos are just fine.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Face, neck, hands. Anywhere else (even visible) I don't care, but in those locations I immediately think "this guy has been in jail" or "this guy wants me to think he's been in jail, and wants me to think he is tough, and he wants everyone to think that about him, at all times".

So he's either been in prison and documented it for all to see, or he spends every waking moment trying to impress on people how badass he is, and is therefore a ######.

Or I guess there is a third option -- the guy really is a badass tough guy who rides a motorcycle and doesn't want my stupid dogwalking accountant job anyway, and for those guys, neck tattoos are just fine.

Haha..I can understand that for sure.

I plan to get a lot more tattoos, but just the same, no plans for neck, hands etc..

I would actually like to get neck or hands possibly, but clearly that's not a great choice and I understand that.

As it is now, I chose to go with 3/4 sleeves making it easier to hide at work under my lame shirt and tie!

I have no idea if I'm tough, I've never been to jail, and work a lame office job. I just like how they look always have. Probably part of that is that I draw and I've always been into art myself.

I do ride a motorcycle though.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

Meh.. I "failed". Sorry but when I read your post it seemed a little bit y. One of those situations where the tone of the question would have been helpful.

Real easy to pull out the "I was testing you card", when he actually had a good answer as to why he was getting the tattoo.

I don't like tattoos. But I respect a person who gets one and then doesn't get defensive when asked about it.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

Haha..I can understand that for sure.

I plan to get a lot more tattoos, but just the same, no plans for neck, hands etc..

I would actually like to get neck or hands possibly, but clearly that's not a great choice and I understand that.

As it is now, I chose to go with 3/4 sleeves making it easier to hide at work under my lame shirt and tie!

I have no idea if I'm tough, I've never been to jail, and work a lame office job. I just like how they look always have. Probably part of that is that I draw and I've always been into art myself.

I do ride a motorcycle though.

I do like the sleeves thing. Not sure what the proper terminolgy is.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

I don't like tattoos. But I respect a person who gets one and then doesn't get defensive when asked about it.

Of course. I get asked all the time about mine, I'm happy to show them and answer any questions about them. I misinterpreted the tone of the post.


Calling them sleeves would be the proper terminology. At least as far as I know!

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

That being said... in the bigger picture -- I don't care if the tattoos are inoffensive or not, if I'm hiring a dog walker or housepainter and one guy has a tattoo on his neck and one guy doesn't, the guy without the tattoo gets the job, all things being equal.

If I'm hiring an accountant, a schoolteacher or a retail clerk, tattoo-neck-guy doesn't get considered even if he's overqualified.

Obviously all things wouldn't be equal because you will see the tattoo and have an instant, unwarranted prejudice.

Sadly though, it'll be your loss in the end hiring the person whose underqualified but clean skinned. Not everyone who is quite heavily tattooed are people who've spent time in jail or even deliquents. Most are people who have an artistic side and chose to use their body as a canvas to portray it.

But to each their own. Leave me the qualified tattooed candidates. I'll happily hire them on their qualifications and best fit to my company over whatever stereotypes go along with having ink on your skin carries.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Obviously all things wouldn't be equal because you will see the tattoo and have an instant, unwarranted prejudice.

Well I guess if "they look stupid, or like criminals" is an uwarranted prejudice, call me unwarrantedly prejudiced.

I don't care about tattoos anywhere else, but in those three specific places (face, hands, head) it means something else.

A guy with an elaborate tattoo of a skull on his neck is, in one obvious way, dumber than a guy without. Why do I make this judgment? Because getting a tattoo with a large, elaborate skull on your neck is a dumb thing to do.

Sure, it's possible that he could be the best damn worker in the world, but the possibility that he could one day make a truly insane, life-altering decision is laid plain right there in front of me. He's advertising it. "I might do something crazy, see? I've done it before".

The other guy isn't saying that.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Well I guess if "they look stupid, or like criminals" is an uwarranted prejudice, call me unwarrantedly prejudiced.

I don't care about tattoos anywhere else, but in those three specific places (face, hands, head) it means something else.

A guy with an elaborate tattoo of a skull on his neck is, in one obvious way, dumber than a guy without. Why do I make this judgment? Because getting a tattoo with a large, elaborate skull on your neck is a dumb thing to do.

Sure, it's possible that he could be the best damn worker in the world, but the possibility that he could one day make a truly insane, life-altering decision is laid plain right there in front of me. He's advertising it. "I might do something crazy, see? I've done it before".

The other guy isn't saying that.

I think that is simplifying it too much. There may be meaning behind some of the choices that person makes. There is also a possibility they made a poor decision when they were young, people can most definitely change.

While I understand why neck and hands tattoos freak some people out, it certainly doesn't bother me and I have no problem with it. In a way I'm envious because I would like to do it, but I'd have to find a new way to support myself unfortunately. Which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing I guess!

For me, I look at the tattoo first, if it's, clearly homemade etc I will have questions, but even then, I try to be open minded about it. If it's a well done nice piece of art, I wouldn't think twice.

Maybe in a way the other guy is saying something crazy. I follow what everyone else does, don't think outside the box, and I'm not a creative person. Thats not necessarily the case, but the argument can be spun that way.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Perhaps there is a reference to that tattoo other then Boondock Saints, I don't know, does anyone else? After all, it is just a movie, not like he tattooed a swastika on his forhead. (Which would be based in reality [Charles Manson], and then I would agree it would be stupid.)

The tattoo that Connor has on his left hand/index finger says, "VERITAS," which is Latin for "Truth." Murphy also has a tattoo in the same place but on his right hand, that says, "AEQUITAS," which is Latin for "Justice/Equality."

The movie may have struck a chord in him and he decided that he would become a police officer so that Boondock Saint-like characters wouldn't have to take control. The tattoo maybe reminds him of what his duties are. I don't know about anyone else, but I completely respect any officer dedicated enough to truth, justice and equality to have it tattoed on his arms.

He most likely thought about it before he got it. Apparently, one of his superiors was with him. He could have lost a bet. To judge a situation based on a picture is asinine.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola

Perhaps there is a reference to that tattoo other then Boondock Saints, I don't know, does anyone else? After all, it is just a movie, not like he tattooed a swastika on his forhead. (Which would be based in reality [Charles Manson], and then I would agree it would be stupid.)

The tattoo that Connor has on his left hand/index finger says, "VERITAS," which is Latin for "Truth." Murphy also has a tattoo in the same place but on his right hand, that says, "AEQUITAS," which is Latin for "Justice/Equality."

The movie may have struck a chord in him and he decided that he would become a police officer so that Boondock Saint-like characters wouldn't have to take control. The tattoo maybe reminds him of what his duties are. I don't know about anyone else, but I completely respect any officer dedicated enough to truth, justice and equality to have it tattoed on his arms.

He most likely thought about it before he got it. Apparently, one of his superiors was with him. He could have lost a bet. To judge a situation based on a picture is asinine.

I'm more concerned that an average quality movie affected him so deeply.

[pylon]

Obviously all things wouldn't be equal because you will see the tattoo and have an instant, unwarranted prejudice.

Sadly though, it'll be your loss in the end hiring the person whose underqualified but clean skinned. Not everyone who is quite heavily tattooed are people who've spent time in jail or even deliquents. Most are people who have an artistic side and chose to use their body as a canvas to portray it.

But to each their own. Leave me the qualified tattooed candidates. I'll happily hire them on their qualifications and best fit to my company over whatever stereotypes go along with having ink on your skin carries.

This is the problem, even if he is the nicest guy in the world, there will be a perception that he is some sort of thug by potential clients. I saw this exact scenario where I worked once. This one guy was incredibly smart, well spoken and pleasant to talk to. However, he had those big giant earlobe hole things and basically a neck sleeve. He was passed up numerous times for promotions simply because the front line clients were very affluent business types, and he was out of site in his current position. Had the perception of him to the affluent clientelle, cost the business of as much as one client, pretty much anything he could have brought to the table was a wash. Not saying I necessarily agreed with the scenario, but in a way I could see where the owner was coming from.

This is why I am opting to get my tattoo on my shoulder. I could understand the hesitance of a potential client giving their personal financial info to some guy that looks like he got out of cell block D.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

I'm more concerned that an average quality movie affected him so deeply.

Yeah, Catholics sometimes do crazy things.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

I think that is simplifying it too much. There may be meaning behind some of the choices that person makes. There is also a possibility they made a poor decision when they were young, people can most definitely change.

Since it is mostly guys in their early 20's that are getting neck tattoos (far as I can tell), the thing is that they made a poor (and significantly limiting) decision quite recently.

On the other hand, if it's a 40-year-old guy with a faded tattoo on his neck, he probably has changed quite a bit, and I wouldn't look at it the same way. Although it wouldn't be a "plus". Or maybe it would -- "geez, this guy has gone through his whole adult life with that thing on his neck, and he's just as qualified as the other guy. He must be good".

Originally Posted by AFireInside

While I understand why neck and hands tattoos freak some people out, it certainly doesn't bother me and I have no problem with it. In a way I'm envious because I would like to do it, but I'd have to find a new way to support myself unfortunately. Which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing I guess!

For me, I look at the tattoo first, if it's, clearly homemade etc I will have questions, but even then, I try to be open minded about it. If it's a well done nice piece of art, I wouldn't think twice.

Fair enough. But everyone isn't as open-minded as you on the subject, and there is the problem. We know for a fact that a tattooed neck is going to be a problem for a lot of people. Whether or not that is fair is another debate (I think) but it is just the way it is. Still going ahead with it seems crazy to me.

And I think it looks bad. Again -- it's like they are trying to say "look how tough I am, I have a scorpion on my neck and I want everyone to see it".

If a scorpion is somehow symbolic or important to you, get a tattoo of it on your arm and don't screw up your life.