Tamil Migrant Ship M/V Sun Sea will arrive Canada by Aug 14th

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

A refugee can find employment and work and start contributing to Canadian society far easier in a city than a little town where attitudes likely aren't as open to foreigners arriving and scooping up what little employment they have to offer.

They might find a job easier in a big city but, it comes with a price. Their are plenty of entry type jobs in small town Canada. The bonus being they don't have to worry as much about being mugged on their way home.

People leave smaller towns and cities with the hope of better jobs in the larger cities. They often also are looking for night life or more rec options.

I also disagree with your suggestion that cities are more open to foreigners that small town Canada. A refugee might lose easy access to some government services in Canada's smaller communities but, they gain neighbours. Active senior citizens are the last demographic who aren't caught up in the rat race. They have time and wisdom and have spent their lives involved in their churches, communities, and neighbourhoods. These people are the ones best equiped to help someone understand/embrace our culture. Small towns are full of them.

[mykalberta]

They should turn them away and not allow them to dock, it sounds fairly simple to me. Just because someone knocks on your door doesnt mean you have to answer them.

[SeeBass]

I don't think women should have special entry staus over men that is complete BS.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

They might find a job easier in a big city but, it comes with a price. Their are plenty of entry type jobs in small town Canada. The bonus being they don't have to worry as much about being mugged on their way home.

People leave smaller towns and cities with the hope of better jobs in the larger cities. They often also are looking for night life or more rec options.

I also disagree with your suggestion that cities are more open to foreigners that small town Canada. A refugee might lose easy access to some government services in Canada's smaller communities but, they gain neighbours. Active senior citizens are the last demographic who aren't caught up in the rat race. They have time and wisdom and have spent their lives involved in their churches, communities, and neighbourhoods. These people are the ones best equiped to help someone understand/embrace our culture. Small towns are full of them.

I come from Prince Edward Island. I'm quite familiar with small towns, and straight refugees from Sri Lanka are not going to get along well barely being able to speak English (if any at all -- again, they're refugees, not immigrants) surrounded by a bunch of Protestant seniors. They lose a lot more than some government benefits in a little town. A large city like Toronto has a support network of, not only Caucassion Christians, but those who actually speak their language, share their religion, and can help ease them into life in Canada. Throwing the lot of them into a small town where they will feel little but isolated culturally and likely have no place to worship or anyone to help them worship wouldn't help anything, for the refugees, or the locals, and is why the Canadian government doesn't do it.

People don't leave small towns only for better jobs. They also leave FOR jobs. I know; I did it already.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Throwing the lot of them into a small town where they will feel little but isolated culturally and likely have no place to worship or anyone to help them worship wouldn't help anything, for the refugees, or the locals, and is why the Canadian government doesn't do it.

But think of the future CBC sitcom opportunities!

[Devils'Advocate]

Actually we DO resettle refugees to specific areas. We don't dump them all on Toronto.

http://www.questia.com/googleScholar...cId=5002076987

The government recommends that the refugee stay in their settlement post for 1 year to really give the area a chance. But most are willing to give up the benefits of staying in their settlement post (both financial and otherwise) to move to a big city. As the article mentioned, usually the refugee is looking for a community to lean on.

In the case of my french teacher from Rwanda, he was initially given a post in Calgary. He was told that there were plenty of entry-level jobs in Calgary. Sure he had degrees in education and geography, but for the sake of his family he was willing to take a janitorial job or dishwashing job. One small problem. Being from Rwanda he spoke only two languages: Kinyarwanda and French. He had trouble finding ANY work in Calgary and even found it difficult to get services. He avoided going out to restaurants and other things we take for granted because he didn't know English. He did stay for the full year as recommended by Immigration, but then moved to Gatineau, Quebec where he was able to find work almost immediately. He said he was grateful that Canada took in him and his family, but didn't understand why they would put him in Calgary where he had to live off government assistance when he would have been much happier earning his way through life in a french area of Canada.

[Devils'Advocate]

BTW - I remember this from when I was 15 and it was happening nearby:

http://jameskeller.ca/cp_refugees.html

As in the article, once they landed in Nova Scotia, one fellow immediately asked for a taxi to Toronto. Usually refugees have family, friends or at least a common community that they are looking to lean on for support when they first get here - and that support is usually in Toronto.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

but didn't understand why they would put him in Calgary where he had to live off government assistance when he would have been much happier earning his way through life in a french area of Canada.

Logic and Government Bureaucracy are antonyms.

[Devils'Advocate]

Well, many in this thread have suggested that their logic is to put people in places where they are just as unlikely to find work....

[bcb]

So where's the ship now? Anyone got a position?

[PyramidsofMars]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

They might find a job easier in a big city but, it comes with a price. Their are plenty of entry type jobs in small town Canada. The bonus being they don't have to worry as much about being mugged on their way home.

People leave smaller towns and cities with the hope of better jobs in the larger cities. They often also are looking for night life or more rec options.

I also disagree with your suggestion that cities are more open to foreigners that small town Canada. A refugee might lose easy access to some government services in Canada's smaller communities but, they gain neighbours. Active senior citizens are the last demographic who aren't caught up in the rat race. They have time and wisdom and have spent their lives involved in their churches, communities, and neighbourhoods. These people are the ones best equiped to help someone understand/embrace our culture. Small towns are full of them.

I've personally talked to (non-white, I think that's relevant) refugees who moved to small town Canada from the cities and prefer it there.

There are some places like Brooks where too much happened in too little time with too little care, but in general I've actually found that refugees to rural/small town Canada have a better experience than those to the cities. I would wager the opposite for regular immigrants.

I think people from small towns and rural Canada are generally a lot less PC but can be a hell of a lot more accepting and open and genuinely interested in helping than cynical city folk give them credit for. There are plenty of examples of non-white Canadians making a good life and building good reputations for themselves outside of cities.

I should note again, though, that these are folks who knew English either because they already spoke it (plenty of places refugees come from have English as a commonly known language), or because they learnt it while in the city. I'm pretty sure a fair number of Sri Lankans know English.

[PyramidsofMars]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

But think of the future CBC sitcom opportunities!

From the network that brought you Little Mosque on the Prairie comes a heartwarming new comedy about Lebanese and Jewish families in small town Saskatchewan, and the hilarious disputes they get into. In the pilot episode, they fight over possession of a tree.

[Huntingwhale]

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I don't think women should have special entry staus over men that is complete BS.

Ok, I'll bite, how come?

Women are far less likely than their male counterparts to be involved in terrorism or commit crimes.

The refugee program as it stands in Canada is a lot like playing Russian Roulette. At least by not taking as many men, you're taking a couple bullets out of the chamber.

[hockeycop]

I think it's important to note there are 2 types of refugees:

Government Sponsored Refugees

These are the people in refugee camps who apply for and recieve refugee protection. They are thoroughly background checked and approved long before they even set foot on Canadian soil. These are REAL refugees. They are given assistance and settlement services.

These are the ones where Canada has a set number they want to accept. These are good people who need help, and Canada is happy to provide it.

Walk Up Refugee Claimants

These are the people who use fraudulent documents, people smugglers, and other nefarious methods of getting here. They come by air, land, and sea.

These people show up with nothing a lot of the time. The Immigration and Refugee Protection Act has a mechanism where they should be detained until their identity can be established. Unfortunately, IRB members sometimes feel badly for them and let them out. Last time we had a boat case, the IRB let them out a week before we found out their identities and linked them to the Tigers.

Many of the walk up's are rejected and then flee underground. These are the ones you see in the news for the most part. Many of these are trying to backdoor the Immigration system. Economic Migrants, Terrorists, Criminals, Gang Members, are the ones who use this method. There are some people who legitimately flee an actual threat who must use this method, and they get approved and receive help.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

But think of the future CBC sitcom opportunities!

Tigers on the Tundra?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by bcb

So where's the ship now? Anyone got a position?

To bad we didn't have "Google Ocean View".

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Ok, I'll bite, how come?

Women are far less likely than their male counterparts to be involved in terrorism or commit crimes.

The refugee program as it stands in Canada is a lot like playing Russian Roulette. At least by not taking as many men, you're taking a couple bullets out of the chamber.

Are we not all equals?

Discrimination against somebody because of sex is against the law.

Women may commit less acts of terrorism but they commit 70% of assaults on children.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Jails readied for hundreds of Tamil migrants

Upward of 250 male and female Tamil migrants will likely spend several months in a pair of overcrowded jails in Metro Vancouver, according to municipal and corrections sources who have been briefed on the imminent arrival of a vessel bound for British Columbia.
Wardens at the Alouette Correctional Centre for Women and the Fraser Regional Correctional Centre — which for three months last fall hosted 76 Tamil migrants who arrived in Canada aboard the Ocean Lady — told the District of Maple Ridge late last week that “somewhere in the order of 80 females and 100 males” would soon arrive at the facilities, a spokesperson for the district said.

But Mr. Purdy said the union is “concerned about overcrowding no matter where [the migrants] end up” because all nine of the province’s correctional facilities are “operating at close to 200% above capacity” — including the Alouette facility, the Fraser centre and the Vancouver Island centre, where Ocean Lady migrants were first processed before being bused to the Fraser facility last fall.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Jai...799/story.html

That is going to be one full jail if it is already at 200% capacity.

[HOZ]

Obviously a new refugee Centre is needed.