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4X4 · 08-05-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

In Calgary? I thought it was 830 to 1hr after sunset all year.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldcloc...&afl=-11&day=1

I guess 5pm was a half hour exaggeration.

Cecil Terwilliger · 08-05-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 4X4

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldcloc...&afl=-11&day=1

Right, of course.

AC · 08-05-2010, 10:58 AM

nm, beaten

Locke · 08-05-2010, 11:19 AM

What do you figure signalled the need for this change? Not enough tickets in School Zones or some actually endangered kids?

4X4 · 08-05-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Locke

What do you figure signalled the need for this change? Not enough tickets in School Zones or some actually endangered kids?

Guaranteed that the CPS will spend M-F 7:29am-~815am for all of September with their speed traps.

FireFly · 08-05-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 4X4

Crazy talk. Just because half the ######s on the road can't differentiate, doesn't mean that I can't. So as long as I'm not stuck behind one of the people that can't, I'd prefer not to go 30 by an abandoned school in the middle of summer.

I think what he's saying is that 90% of schools also have playgrounds which children play on in the summer even if there is no school. Therefore it makes sense for school zones to also be playground zones since the school will have a playground.

WilsonFourTwo · 08-05-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

I think what he's saying is that 90% of schools also have playgrounds which children play on in the summer even if there is no school. Therefore it makes sense for school zones to also be playground zones since the school will have a playground.

Thank You......that was *exactly* the point.

All of the laws in this area are borderline ######ed. School playgrounds apparently don't get used after 5pm, playground zones get used based entirely on the actions of the sun, and now we have to know whether a school is year round. It's more of a hassle than it ever needed to be.

Why not: In places where large groups of children play, the speed limit is 30 kph from 7:30am - 7:30pm. How friggin' complicated would that be?

STeeLy · 08-05-2010, 12:27 PM

The year round school thing... Another thing to watch for (if it's possible in your field of view) is for the flags. If the flags are up, there's school.

amorak · 08-05-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by STeeLy

The year round school thing... Another thing to watch for (if it's possible in your field of view) is for the flags. If the flags are up, there's likely a lazy janitor who takes them down once in a blue moon.

FYP!

You Need a Thneed · 08-05-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WilsonFourTwo

Thank You......that was *exactly* the point.

All of the laws in this area are borderline ######ed. School playgrounds apparently don't get used after 5pm, playground zones get used based entirely on the actions of the sun, and now we have to know whether a school is year round. It's more of a hassle than it ever needed to be.

Why not: In places where large groups of children play, the speed limit is 30 kph from 7:30am - 7:30pm. How friggin' complicated would that be?

Where the playground is, there's playground zones. On roads beside schools that are nowhere near the playground zone, a playground zone sign isn't required.

Also, not every school has a playground, only elementary schools do.

yads · 08-05-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WilsonFourTwo

I never understood why they don't just make them Playground Zones. Seriously.....how many schools (elementary schools in particular) become desolate wastelands when classes let out?

Separating Playground and School zones is stupid.......more rules to remember/follow that don't really need to exist.

Aparently, according to the article I read, playground zones are the domain of the province, whereas school zones can be set by the city. So they would have to change the rules to make playground zones earlier. They are looking at harmonizing them, but it's not something that will happen in the next while.

Locke · 08-05-2010, 02:05 PM

Keep kids off the roads. No Zones required at all. Problem solved.

Raekwon · 08-05-2010, 02:36 PM

They should probably just put up plexiglass baricades along the roads with playgrounds, oh and also put kids in bubbles so if they still get hit they just roll home unscathed.

GirlySports · 08-05-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

What do you figure signalled the need for this change? Not enough tickets in School Zones or some actually endangered kids?

Schools start earlier.
When did we start school as kids? 8:45?
It's closer to 7:45 now. More convenient to start early as parents who work early drop them off.

GirlySports · 08-05-2010, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by STeeLy

The year round school thing... Another thing to watch for (if it's possible in your field of view) is for the flags. If the flags are up, there's school.

I can't see flags when going 70 either. It is also dangerous as my eyes should be on the road and not in the sky.

STeeLy · 08-05-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

I can't see flags when going 70 either. It is also dangerous as my eyes should be on the road and not in the sky.

Um... if you can see the school's front entrance from a distance, you can see the flag.

Unless you have really narrow vision...

The Yen Man · 08-05-2010, 04:38 PM

The thing I hate about playground zones is the before and after sunset terms. I mean, I generally know when the sunsets, but not specifically. Usually, once it's dark, I ignore the sign.

STeeLy · 08-05-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 4X4

Guaranteed that the CPS will spend M-F 7:29am-~815am for all of September with their speed traps.

I think they should be out now at the year round schools...

Definitely catch some people off guard, especially those who don't go around there much.

4X4 · 08-05-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by STeeLy

I think they should be out now at the year round schools...

Definitely catch some people off guard, especially those who don't go around there much.

That's probably pretty likely. There's a school here in the Loop that is year round. Guess I better stop blasting past it at 745 every morning.

Antithesis · 08-05-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

Schools start earlier.
When did we start school as kids? 8:45?
It's closer to 7:45 now. More convenient to start early as parents who work early drop them off.

FWIW, it actually seems to have far more to do with busing than anything. Elementary schools typically start at 8:00 or so while Jr./Sr. High typically begin closer to 9:00.

This way, the bus can pick up elementary kids, drop them off, pick up Jr. high kids, drop them off, and then take elementary kids home before taking Jr. high kids home. Saves money I suppose.