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Maritime Q-Scout · 08-03-2010, 04:28 PM

So, has Stockwell Day just snapped, had a breakdown or what's the idea here?

Build it and they will come?

WTF?

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Politics/2...-crime-100803/

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Day says new prisons needed for 'unreported crimes'

Liberal MP Mark Holland accused the government of trying to justify a bad policy with non-existent statistics. If anything, he said, reporting of sexual crime -- which is historically under-reported -- has increased over the years as the stigma has lessened.
But even if the minister is correct, Holland wondered how that would result in the need for more prison spaces.
"You need prisons to lock up people who are not being charged? Unless you are suggesting throwing away habeas corpus and rounding up everybody who looks suspicious, it makes no sense."

Superflyer · 08-03-2010, 04:33 PM

I like the idea of more prisons as many criminals are getting released early due to over crowding and others are getting lesser sentences due to the same cause, but his explanation is confusing to say the least.

MelBridgeman · 08-03-2010, 04:45 PM

good example of taking things out a context and mixing and matching.

"unreported crimes" are related to the his issue with the fact that stat cans says crime is down.

more prisons is part of the goverments long in place plan of getting tough on crime.

fact is, just cause crime stats are down shouldn't mean we should stop being tough on crime.

alltherage · 08-03-2010, 04:48 PM

Yeah this is a "foot in mouth" moment but I think he probably meant that there is a problem with the system overall and this will help facilitate the changes that need to be made.

He is perhaps comenting that as society moves more towards reporting more crimes that we'll need prisons in place for the increase in reports.

Stupid news media thinks politicians arent human and just spin it however best sells papers, thats all.

Flash Walken · 08-03-2010, 04:49 PM

Just another step in policy that reflects conservative interests and doesn't reflect those of the population at large.

SebC · 08-03-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Just another step in policy that reflects conservative interests and doesn't reflect those of the population at large.

How would building prisons we don't need be in anyone's interest (other than the people building them)? I just don't see any ideology that makes it make sense.

jar_e · 08-03-2010, 05:14 PM

New prisons will only work if our backwards, messed up justice system actually put people in jail for a change.

Trojan97 · 08-03-2010, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jar_e

New prisons will only work if our backwards, messed up justice system actually put people in jail for a change.

A huge reason that sentences are becoming so lenient is because there is no room to house offenders serving long term sentences. Look at the bonuses that inmates are getting for time served these days, some get as much as 3-1 or 4-1 for every day served because of the cramped conditions of their cells. It's crazy.

Reggie Dunlop · 08-03-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by alltherage

Yeah this is a "foot in mouth" moment but I think he probably meant that there is a problem with the system overall and this will help facilitate the changes that need to be made.

He is perhaps comenting that as society moves more towards reporting more crimes that we'll need prisons in place for the increase in reports.

Stupid news media thinks politicians arent human and just spin it however best sells papers, thats all.

Nah. Stockwell Day really is that stupid.

Flash Walken · 08-03-2010, 06:09 PM

Expanding the prison population for small-scale drug crimes.

What a completely assbackward way of doing things.

MarchHare · 08-03-2010, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Expanding the prison population for small-scale drug crimes.

What a completely assbackward way of doing things.

They're just copying the drug policy that's worked so incredibly well in the US.

SteveToms · 08-03-2010, 06:23 PM

We should have a referendum, change his name to Doris Day.

MelBridgeman · 08-03-2010, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MarchHare

They're just copying the drug policy that's worked so incredibly well in the US.

Not if sure any drug policy will work.

Huntingwhale · 08-03-2010, 06:49 PM

Maybe if we got rid of some of the STUPID drug laws we wouldn't have such an over crowding issue...

Ironhorse · 08-03-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Maybe if we all paid attention to the current laws, we wouldn't have such an over crowding issue...

Sorry, I had to fyp.

burn_this_city · 08-03-2010, 07:17 PM

I don't believe we have an overcrowding issue due to frivilous drug crime. Most people caught selling and growing smaller amounts of pot have been receiving suspended sentences. People going large scale arent harmless if they're trading the weed for other drugs or selling into organized crime. I don't mind locking up people pushing coke, ect. There are real impacts on society from those drugs.

MarchHare · 08-03-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Not if sure any drug policy will work.

I thought my sarcasm was obvious. I guess not.

Rathji · 08-04-2010, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Maybe if we got rid of some of the STUPID drug laws we wouldn't have such an over crowding issue...

Most of the 'stupid drug laws' that I assume you are referring to almost never result in incarceration. Fines, Probation, or other community sentences are by far the most common.

Unless of course you consider laws regarding the manufacture and distribution of coke, meth etc to be example of those STUPID laws, in which case I think you need to law off the 'product'.

Huntingwhale · 08-04-2010, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rathji

Most of the 'stupid drug laws' that I assume you are referring to almost never result in incarceration. Fines, Probation, or other community sentences are by far the most common.

Unless of course you consider laws regarding the manufacture and distribution of coke, meth etc to be example of those STUPID laws, in which case I think you need to law off the 'product'.

Actually I do...but that's a whole other thread

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EddyBeers · 08-04-2010, 12:20 PM

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita

Getting tough on crime should be a national priority. As the stats demonstrate, we languish far behind the Americans in judicial efficiency. We should be aiming to rid ourselves of the alarming amount of unreported crimes making our country a cesspool of criminals that harrass little old ladies and destroy our social fabric.

It is shameful that much safer countries lead the way in incarceration rates, while we are so far behind them. When I see Canada in 73rd with so many safer countries ahead of us, I think to myself "What if we actually were tough on crime, could we be as safe as those countries. Could we live in a society where individuals were not frozen in fear and thus failed to report their crimes at this alarming rate". Anybody who has any experience in limiting criminal activitiy, any active legislative experience in preventing crime in society, knows that we need to get tough on this vagabonds. For it is only through building more prisons that they cease to be vagabonds.