That's a big difference. Sorry to throw that at you. Revis and Asomugha are the 2 best no doubt in anyone's mind and I won't even say Revis is better because I am not sure he is. The above is pretty telling though.
I will add this the Jets D was way better than the Raiders. Revis got targeted more because of it. However this also means that teams stayed away from Nmadi because the rest of the D was terrible. So the only time Asomugha got thrown at were pretty wide open plays.
good points, I think you can look at that stat in a number of ways though
i.e teams are willing to test Revis even if the receiver is covered, they will only throw it Nnamdi's way if the receiver is absolutely wide open
I do think they are the clear 1-2 in the league, with a pretty large gap to 3rd
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good points, I think you can look at that stat in a number of ways though
i.e teams are willing to test Revis even if the receiver is covered, they will only throw it Nnamdi's way if the receiver is absolutely wide open
I do think they are the clear 1-2 in the league, with a pretty large gap to 3rd
Yeah... the Jets defense also lends itself to QBs throwing at Revis as well. Revis is covering the #1 WR on almost every play. Asomugha stays on one side of the field pretty much all game no matter who is on that side. QBs arent going to not throw at their #1 target all game where against the Raiders the offense can line up their #1 on the opposite side and get him open. That's also why #1 recievers put up worse stats against the Jets, because Revis is on them virtually every down. If you look at Raiders' opponents #1 WR stats you can't say they did better against Asomugha than Revis, because he didn't always cover them.
I stole this from another message board just to illustrate my point:
"Against the Raiders, #1 WRs were targeted 113 times by my count, and Asomugha was only covering them 15 times (13.2%). Against the Jets, #1 WRs were targeted 109 times by my count, and Revis was covering them 78 times (71.6%)."
The Jets make you throw at Revis because you can't ignore your playmakers. I am not saying this makes Revis better I just think that it says it's impossible to know who is better because of schemes and teammates.
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Revis a no-show at camp..start of a holdout?
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The Jets confirmed that Revis did not participate in the morning conditioning run at the team's facility in Florham Park, N.J. -- a strong indication that he will be a no-show. He will be considered an official holdout if he doesn't show for a 5:30 p.m. team meeting in Cortland.
In fact, The Post has learned that if the Jets don’t give Revis one more dime than what Oakland’s Nnamdi Asomugha, the highest-paid cornerback in the league, is making in 2010 he plans to hold out.
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In fact, The Post has learned that if the Jets don’t give Revis one more dime than what Oakland’s Nnamdi Asomugha, the highest-paid cornerback in the league, is making in 2010 he plans to hold out.
I knew it would happen. I just didnt think he would want to use Aso's contract as a comparable because it's a terrible contract. I was hoping he would settle in the 12-13 range over 5 years with like 80% guaranteed.
I knew it would happen. I just didnt think he would want to use Aso's contract as a comparable because it's a terrible contract. I was hoping he would settle in the 12-13 range over 5 years with like 80% guaranteed.
I just wish these guys, who do deserve renegotiation, would just show up to camp and work their asses off and be rewarded for it.
Hold outs piss me off no matter what the circumstance. You signed a contract. Honor it.
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I just wish these guys, who do deserve renegotiation, would just show up to camp and work their asses off and be rewarded for it.
Hold outs piss me off no matter what the circumstance. You signed a contract. Honor it.
in any other league I agree, but in the NFL where contracts are not guaranteed and a player can be cut with no compensation I side more with the player
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Loving that Revis is a holdout, the guys is a great corner but he's not the best!. The best don't get beat by Ted Ginn jr. I recall seeing Ted Ginn Jr. light him up last year and we all know that Ginn isn't very good, and didn't do much for the dolphins in his 3 years there.
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Loving that Revis is a holdout, the guys is a great corner but he's not the best!. The best don't get beat by Ted Ginn jr. I recall seeing Ted Ginn Jr. light him up last year and we all know that Ginn isn't very good, and didn't do much for the dolphins in his 3 years there.
Yep because one play dictates a player's worth. Forget that he locked down the best recievers in the league. He missed a jam on Ted Ginn so he must suck. Aso gave up a couple TDs to bad recievers too. I guess no one is the best cb in the league. I also think Ginn would thrive in a role where he isn't #1. I am pretty sure you won a game against the Jets pretty much due to him as well.
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Yep because one play dictates a player's worth. Forget that he locked down the best recievers in the league. He missed a jam on Ted Ginn so he must suck. Aso gave up a couple TDs to bad recievers too. I guess no one is the best cb in the league. I also think Ginn would thrive in a role where he isn't #1. I am pretty sure you won a game against the Jets pretty much due to him as well.
I am guessing you are a Jets fan, he claims to be the best but I don't think he is the best. He is a great CB, I will give him that. The best CBs gets beat by the best receivers on occasion, he doesn't get beat by a guy who scored his only receiving TD of the year, not to mention a guy who had 38 receptions all year.
For some reason TG only showed up against the Jets.
I hate the Jets and I am loving this happening to them, I love the fact they whined and cried last year after getting owned by the "wildcat" saying it was a gimmick and it had no place in football. If it has no place in football then stop it like some other teams did.
How a jet fan could stick up for Revis is beyond me right now, the guy could end up hurting there overrated chance of a superbowl birth as is.
I am guessing you are a Jets fan, he claims to be the best but I don't think he is the best. He is a great CB, I will give him that. The best CBs gets beat by the best receivers on occasion, he doesn't get beat by a guy who scored his only receiving TD of the year, not to mention a guy who had 38 receptions all year.
For some reason TG only showed up against the Jets.
I hate the Jets and I am loving this happening to them, I love the fact they whined and cried last year after getting owned by the "wildcat" saying it was a gimmick and it had no place in football. If it has no place in football then stop it like some other teams did.
How a jet fan could stick up for Revis is beyond me right now, the guy could end up hurting there overrated chance of a superbowl birth as is.
I think you are blinded by your allegiance to the fins... There isn't a writer or scout in the country that doesnt think that Revis is one of the top 3 in the country and most think top 2. Revis gave up 2 TDs all year one to Ginn and one to Moss. He locked down Moss, TO, Ochocinco, Andre Johnson, Colston, etc... but you discount all of that due to one play. I am going to assume you didn't watch him all that much and are talking out of your behind.
I think you are blinded by your allegiance to the fins... There isn't a writer or scout in the country that doesnt think that Revis is one of the top 3 in the country and most think top 2. Revis gave up 2 TDs all year one to Ginn and one to Moss. He locked down Moss, TO, Ochocinco, Andre Johnson, Colston, etc... but you discount all of that due to one play. I am going to assume you didn't watch him all that much and are talking out of your behind.
Funny as a devoted Fin fan and having Sunday ticket, I watch as many AFC East rival games as much as possible. I've seen a lot of Jet games, more than probably even you. Do I hate the Jets yes, Do I love the Dolphins, you bet, but you seem to be forgetting that your beloved Revis is being selfish for his own need and greed and hurting the Jets slim chances of a playoff spot. He signed a contract and he should honour it, its not like he's not making good money, he has 20million gauranteed on the table. Thats pretty nice. Not to mention he will get more when his contract is up. You also seem to have the blinders on that, that I do think he is a great CB, in my opinion around the top 5. I need to see him perform well more than one year for me to think he's one of the best. The best players are the ones that do it year in and year out. This is my opinion from a dedicated football fan, you may or may not like that is fine, but frankly quite a few people agree with me.
Funny as a devoted Fin fan and having Sunday ticket, I watch as many AFC East rival games as much as possible. I've seen a lot of Jet games, more than probably even you. Do I hate the Jets yes, Do I love the Dolphins, you bet, but you seem to be forgetting that your beloved Revis is being selfish for his own need and greed and hurting the Jets slim chances of a playoff spot. He signed a contract and he should honour it, its not like he's not making good money, he has 20million gauranteed on the table. Thats pretty nice. Not to mention he will get more when his contract is up. You also seem to have the blinders on that, that I do think he is a great CB, in my opinion around the top 5. I need to see him perform well more than one year for me to think he's one of the best. The best players are the ones that do it year in and year out. This is my opinion from a dedicated football fan, you may or may not like that is fine, but frankly quite a few people agree with me.
I have seen every Jets football game the last 15 years except something like 4 or 5. I am an American my devotion to sports teams goes Longhorns, Jets, and then Flames. Revis doesn't have 20 mil guaranteed, that is a team option (which he will likely get unless he gets a very serious injury). NFL contracts favor the owners. He is making 1 mil this year. I don't blame him for holding out. I think that it's ridiculous that people expect the players to honor contracts, but the team doesn't have to. What if Revis takes a head on collision this year and is paralyzed? Do you think the Jets will pick up that option out of the kindness of their hearts?
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Revis doesn't have 20 mil guaranteed, that is a team option
I understood that it was his option...as in if he didnt miss TC/holdout this season he was guarenteed that 20 Mil over the next two years, but he wants to be paid more than anyone else at that position instead.
Edit: In fact that looks like exactly what is happening.
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By holding out, Revis will incur a $16,523-a-day fine and waive future guarantees in his current contract. Based on a clause, the $20 million he's scheduled to earn in 2011 and 2012 goes from guaranteed to non-guaranteed salary. That he's willing to take that risk indicates the depth of his frustration. He has three years remaining on his rookie deal.
I understood that it was his option...as in if he didnt miss TC/holdout this season he was guarenteed that 20 Mil over the next two years, but he wants to be paid more than anyone else at that position instead.
Edit: In fact that looks like exactly what is happening.
Ok you are right... It's his option, but that still comes out to only 7 mil a year over the next 3 which he has outperformed. If it was any other sport where players pay is guaranteed (even if his is) than I would be mad he was holding out. The NFL you have to get yours now, the CBA is so much in the owners' favor its ridiculous. Hopefully this is fixed in the next CBA. The Jets so far are offering him 5 mil for this year with no guaranteed money according to rumors. That's ridiculous. That said Revis will be there in the first game it will get done. In the meantime Wilson gets some good reps as a starter in camp.
