2010 Blue Jays Season Thread

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by flambers

Not true, ESPN reported lots of teams were interested in Downs, Frasor and Gregg. Problem is the Jays asked for a high end propsect in return

As they should!

Interested is a loose term. Is a GM picking up a phone and asking about a player showing interest? GMs talk to each other about players everyday!

[flambers]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

As they should!

Interested is a loose term. Is a GM picking up a phone and asking about a player showing interest? GMs talk to each other about players everyday!

AA is on the radio and said he could have trades.... just did not get what they wanted (i.e. high end prospect).

I bet the Jays will not offer Arbritation and will lose a few of them for nothing. Just a poor trade deadline AA gets a "failing grade" in my opinion.

To make it worse, JP (catcher) is going to be locked down at AAA for the rest of the year (or at least to Sept). Which makes no sense.

Especially as a guy like Buck won't return, same thing with Downs, Frasor etc....

[Kelekin]

There's still technically a month of trades. But it's safe to say betwen Frasor and Buck, the two most important to have moved, it is indeed a failing grade.

[Jason14h]

Don't forget this team is still 5 games over .500. If you trade Buck and Downs, it confirms you are giving up. Having the young players continue to believe they can make the playoffs is going to help them down the road with their development.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by flambers

Wow the Jays made zero moves, very dissappointed in AA.

There is no way the Jays offer Arbritration to players like Frasor

Why not?

If he has earned type A status then he is objectively an upper-echelon reliever.

[Caged Great]

It's not like Buck, Frasor, Downs, Overbay and Gregg are horrible players. Overbay is likely going to be traded for anything in the coming month, but the rest of them are going to be type A (Downs, possibly Frasor) or B free agents, which means they get a supplementary 1st round pick for Gregg and Buck, possibly a 1st rounder + supplementary 1st for Frasor + Downs.

If the other teams didn't want to match that price, then it's more than fine to wait until the offseason and get those picks, or resign those players, it's not like we have a bunch of spectacular bullpen guys on the farm anyway.

I'm pleased by the results of the day, because it means that AA wants a certain value out of players if he's going to move them. If not, then he'll keep them instead of being in a rush to dump them.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Gozer

Why not?

If he has earned type A status then he is objectively an upper-echelon reliever.

If the player is not offered Arbritation there is no Type A or B status.

I doubt the Jays will offer Frasor or Buck Arbritation (i.e. they might accept).

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

It's not like Buck, Frasor, Downs, Overbay and Gregg are horrible players. Overbay is likely going to be traded for anything in the coming month, but the rest of them are going to be type A (Downs, possibly Frasor) or B free agents, which means they get a supplementary 1st round pick for Gregg and Buck, possibly a 1st rounder + supplementary 1st for Frasor + Downs.

If the other teams didn't want to match that price, then it's more than fine to wait until the offseason and get those picks, or resign those players, it's not like we have a bunch of spectacular bullpen guys on the farm anyway.

I'm pleased by the results of the day, because it means that AA wants a certain value out of players if he's going to move them. If not, then he'll keep them instead of being in a rush to dump them.

Only player who will be type A is Downs. Rest of them are type B.

I understand not moving Downs. I don't understand Buck, why keep him and leave JPA in the minors. There is no chance Buck is with the Jays next season in my opinion. Molina is the Catcher who is the better game caller.

Jays have no chance at a playoff spot. They need to play the young players and give them a chance to get experience. Especially the Catcher.

I bet Frasor, Downs, Overbay and Buck are all gone next year. Key is how many of them will get Arbritation offered (i.e. no chance Overbay is offered)

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by flambers

If the player is not offered Arbritation there is no Type A or B status.

I doubt the Jays will offer Frasor or Buck Arbritation (i.e. they might accept).

And how horrible would things be if they accepted?

We'd be "stuck" with an all-star catcher and an upper echelon reliever? Perish the thought!

[moon]

Originally Posted by Gozer

And how horrible would things be if they accepted?

We'd be "stuck" with an all-star catcher and an upper echelon reliever? Perish the thought!

Or more realistically a mediocre hitting/below average defensive catcher and a mediocre reliever.

Not sure what Frasor has done to being called a upper echelon reliever and its nice that Buck had a career year but he has shown the type of player he is over the many years he couldn't hit in the majors.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Gozer

And how horrible would things be if they accepted?

We'd be "stuck" with an all-star catcher and an upper echelon reliever? Perish the thought!

Or a guy who had one good year and came crashing back down. Either way Buck is not the Catcher of the future for the Jays

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by flambers

Or a guy who had one good year and came crashing back down. Either way Buck is not the Catcher of the future for the Jays

Which is likely why other teams didn't have enough interest to trade for him. Look at the playoff contending teams in both leagues right now. The only team who Buck would have been an upgrade for is the Tigers.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Which is likely why other teams didn't have enough interest to trade for him. Look at the playoff contending teams in both leagues right now. The only team who Buck would have been an upgrade for is the Tigers.

AA said on Fan590 he could of made the deals but he viewed the deals as something that did not improve their team.

[cross16]

I agree that I think AA did the right thing. If your not giong to get the value of the player and a pick why make the deal?
They could still trade Overbay over the next few weeks and i think they will. I really doubt overbay would be claimed on Waivers, but I also think they want to take more time getting Lind to play first. They are working with him fairly extensivly, but not enough for right now i think.
Arbitration wise Frasor is really the only player I would be a little scared to offer aribtration to. the rest are no brainers. I think there is no way Buck accepts because he has already expressed that he has no desire to be in a platform situation and with JPA coming up I think he would be in a platton situation.
i'm also starting to think they may consider keeping Downs. their bull pen hasn't exactly been good this year and doens't exactly have the depth or the talent there. Keeping Downs is not exactly a bad plan.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by cross16

I agree that I think AA did the right thing. If your not giong to get the value of the player and a pick why make the deal?
They could still trade Overbay over the next few weeks and i think they will. I really doubt overbay would be claimed on Waivers, but I also think they want to take more time getting Lind to play first. They are working with him fairly extensivly, but not enough for right now i think.
Arbitration wise Frasor is really the only player I would be a little scared to offer aribtration to. the rest are no brainers. I think there is no way Buck accepts because he has already expressed that he has no desire to be in a platform situation and with JPA coming up I think he would be in a platton situation.
i'm also starting to think they may consider keeping Downs. their bull pen hasn't exactly been good this year and doens't exactly have the depth or the talent there. Keeping Downs is not exactly a bad plan.

I bet Overbay is the only one who would get through Waivers.

AA looked like a struggling rookie at the dead-line trying to make the perfect deal.

I just don't see the Jays offering Arbritation to Overbay or Frasor or Buck.

Downs will get Arbritation for sure.

[Kelekin]

I could see them offering it to Buck. All-stars having career years do try to take advantage or hope to land a multi-year deal when they can.

I just think he really screwed the pooch on the Frasor situation. And with Overbay, he likely won't net us picks anyways since he doesn't even qualify as Type B in the latest rankings update.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Kelekin

I could see them offering it to Buck. All-stars having career years do try to take advantage or hope to land a multi-year deal when they can.

I just think he really screwed the pooch on the Frasor situation. And with Overbay, he likely won't net us picks anyways since he doesn't even qualify as Type B in the latest rankings update.

Problem is JPA is the catcher that needs to play, he is Major league ready. Buck made it clear he does not want to share guys (i.e. he wants to play the majority of the games). He clearly has to go at some point.

If he is offered Arb. I hope he declines.

I agree with Frasor and Overbay.

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

AA doesn't get a failing grade. He grabbed Gose. Gose could turn out to be a star one day at two key positions for this club. CF and leadoff.

I think he doesn't get a stellar grade either. I would have thought that Frasor was dispensable. If they do offer him Arb, then I wouldn't be upset if he returned. Buck on the other hand, i'm not averse to offering arb and having him sign else-where. As unnerving as Gregg is, I feel you should hold on to him considering his contract for his production.

This team is unlike most rebuilding squads in that it has a considerable budget. I think that not selling low and helping your competitors out is a good thing. The Sox and the Yanks are already successful enough.

Overall, AA shows his shrewdness and stubbornness. 2 qualities of rare commodity among young gms. Epstien, Cashman, Anthopolous...The three unconventional wise men.

[Trojan97]

Haven't read every post in this thread but just wanted to say..

While it's too bad that a deal wasn't made, it's nice to see AA not settle at the last minute for a subpar prospect if teams weren't meeting his demands. I would imagine GMs were probably holding out on him a little bit waiting for the rookie GM to panic at the thought of not completing various deals and accept lesser offers than what he had been demanding. I'm not sure if this happened but GMs now surely know that AA isn't messing around and isn't going to make a deal for the sake of making one. Not settling could end up being quite beneficial to the team going forward.

Just a thought.

[Kelekin]

Originally Posted by flambers

Problem is JPA is the catcher that needs to play, he is Major league ready. Buck made it clear he does not want to share guys (i.e. he wants to play the majority of the games). He clearly has to go at some point.

If he is offered Arb. I hope he declines.

I agree with Frasor and Overbay.

It's very frustrating for me as a prospect watcher. This was supposed to be the season where we figure out who will be a fit for the future. Arencibia is more than ready for his shot, all three starting OFs in AA should be in AAA, Jeroloman should be in AAA... sigh. I understand the concept of not rushing prospects, but prospects -tell you- when they're ready. That much we know as box score watchers.

Speaking of prospects, Marisnick went 2/3 in his debut in Lansing (A). And even scarier, Kevin Ahrens went 2/2 with 2 home runs and 2 walks. It's likely it's the best game of his minor league career, and as I said on another site, if he manages to finish the season with a .710 OPS, it would've meant he hit .850ish almost all the rest of the way. Next year will be his shot to see if his mental setbacks are gone.