07-29-2010, 08:01 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Papi34
Brady still put up good numbers coming off of a career threatening injury.. He's all healed now and will be back to dominant form. Don't sleep on the Pats im telling you... the last 2 years their drafts have been incredibly solid those players will start producing. They are still miles ahead of the dolphins and jets for one reason. Tom Brady. As long as hes running the offense the Pats will always be a threat. Im predicting an 11-5 record this year with a division win. Too many egos on the jets the team will implode and dolphins just dont phase me... If brandon marshall can turn a 7-9 team into a division winner good on him but he didnt do it in denver nor do i think he does it in miami. Should be a great season I really cant wait
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Miles ahead of the dolphins and jets eh. Interesting statement, I will come back to this post at the end of the year. Remember the pats don't have a running game, that in my opinion is what hurts them. The dolphins are getting better and they give the pats fits every year, which to me means you don't know much about the games these two play against each other.
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07-30-2010, 04:49 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Austin, Tx
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Originally Posted by transplant99
2....Mark Sanchez still has a lot to prove. I think he will be an elite QB one day, but this year may not be the best time to show it. With the loss of Alan Faneca along the O-line, they will not be the same group they were last year in either run blocking or pass blocking. A concern IMO.
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You are right about the pass blocking. I am guessing you didn't watch many Jets games. Faneca was brutal in pass protection that's why he was let go. Espn insider in March rated him the worst guard in pass protection allowing 7 sacks and 3 hurries.
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07-30-2010, 05:38 AM
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#83
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Fearmongerer
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Originally Posted by Sowa
You are right about the pass blocking. I am guessing you didn't watch many Jets games. Faneca was brutal in pass protection that's why he was let go. Espn insider in March rated him the worst guard in pass protection allowing 7 sacks and 3 hurries.
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yeah...because pro bowl starters are always "brutal". 
Seriously man...the only reason he isnt a Jet now is because of $$$ saved by releasing him that they then used to sign Ducasse.
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07-30-2010, 06:11 AM
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#84
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by transplant99
yeah...because pro bowl starters are always "brutal".
Seriously man...the only reason he isnt a Jet now is because of $$$ saved by releasing him that they then used to sign Ducasse. |
He made it based on name if you don't think that happens I guess I can't convince you. Go back and read Jets message boards before he was released everyone was saying how terrible he was last season. I guess ESPN was wrong in rating him the WORST offensive guard in pass protection.
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07-30-2010, 07:21 AM
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He was a pro-bowler for a reason and no it wasnt because jets fans voted him in because, as you say, they apparently thought him terrible. You are then left with the 2/3rds vote from coaches and players themselves. They thought enough of his play to have him not only make the squad but have him as a starter.
Sorry...aint buyin what you are sellin....and ESPN is hardly the source for lineman play. I leave that for the guys who play the position and those who play against the man. There is a reason the jets line led the league in rush blocking and was 11th best in giving up sacks and 5th best in QB hits...and sacks are much more often an entire line stat instead of an individual stat. They play as units....he was a key part of that unit along with Ferguson and Mangold. He is now gone and will be missed, and to think otherwise is silly.
Either way, the jets have a ton of great players and I am not disputing that, but Faneca was part of a great line, and their best rusher is gone as well, so when you combine that along with the schedule they have...they will do well to make the post season this year. Pretty much all i was saying, but if you are unable to look at them objectively, then by all means believe as you wish.
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07-30-2010, 07:42 AM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by transplant99
He was a pro-bowler for a reason and no it wasnt because jets fans voted him in because, as you say, they apparently thought him terrible. You are then left with the 2/3rds vote from coaches and players themselves. They thought enough of his play to have him not only make the squad but have him as a starter.
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There was a great article in USA Today or SI a couple years ago about how player voting in the NFL is worse than fan voting. The players take about 5 mins. to fill out the ballot and they really go on reputation. For instance, how does an offensive tackle know who the best cornerback is? or likewise? They don't play against them. It's the reason guys like John Riggins only went to one Pro Bowl. The common Jets fan which makes up the majority didn't realize how terrible Faneca played so of course they voted them in. That's like comparing the common Flames fan knowledge to a CPer.
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Sorry...aint buyin what you are sellin....and ESPN is hardly the source for lineman play. I leave that for the guys who play the position and those who play against the man. There is a reason the jets line led the league in rush blocking and was 11th best in giving up sacks and 5th best in QB hits...and sacks are much more often an entire line stat instead of an individual stat. They play as units....he was a key part of that unit along with Ferguson and Mangold. He is now gone and will be missed, and to think otherwise is silly.
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The fact that they ran more times than anybody else might have something to do with those stats. Listen I like Alan Faneca I think he did a good job teaching Ferguson, but he's getting old and the decline was rapid. He was great 2 seasons ago, but he can't keep up anymore. I hope proves me wrong, but I don't see it. And the ESPN analysis was based on missed blocks on passing plays. It's a little subjective but pretty accurate. It might hurt chemistry wise, but we will see.
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Either way, the jets have a ton of great players and I am not disputing that, but Faneca was part of a great line, and their best rusher is gone as well, so when you combine that along with the schedule they have...they will do well to make the post season this year. Pretty much all i was saying, but if you are unable to look at them objectively, then by all means believe as you wish.
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You mean their best rusher who lost the starting job in the playoffs? I am looking at them objectively. I am not the only one who is predicting great things from them. Could the Jones/Tomlinson switch be a huge mistake? Yes. I also am going to miss the hell out of Leon Washington and don't think McKnight will come close to filling those shoes. We could miss the playoffs it's a possibility as is always the case as the AFC East will be tough this year. I just think that the improvements on the already #1 defense will get us in.
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07-30-2010, 08:17 AM
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Antonio Cromartie: $1.7 million
Jim Leonhard: $1.625 million
Brodney Pool: $1.3 million
Eric Smith: $1.176 million
Drew Coleman: $1.175 million
James Ihedigbo: $1.101 million
Kyle Wilson will be over 1 million as well...
Revis is going to make less than all of these guys this year. Revis deserves to be the best paid corner in the league, but you have to ignore the Asomugha's contract because the Raiders are kinda dumb... I'd give Revis 12-13 mil a year.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jet...#ixzz0vAuzOQgv
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07-30-2010, 09:57 AM
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First Line Centre
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Ravens can't catch a break. There defensive backfield has tons of injuries already and now Dominique Foxworth is out for the season. Kindle of course probably won't start the season either. They better hope they are right about having a great offense this year because the D is going to be rough for at least the first part of the season.
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07-30-2010, 10:03 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by KTown
Miles ahead of the dolphins and jets eh. Interesting statement, I will come back to this post at the end of the year. Remember the pats don't have a running game, that in my opinion is what hurts them. The dolphins are getting better and they give the pats fits every year, which to me means you don't know much about the games these two play against each other.
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Dolphins always play the pats hard they are always close games wether the dolphins are a good team or not. Remember 2007? they almost beat the pats in their undefeated season. But thats only 2 games against the Pats they still have 14 others. Most likely they split the 2 games but i dont see them winning more than the pats. You say they have no running game but that simply isnt true.. its run by committee.. If you remember correctly in 2008 with Cassell at the helms the pats were 7th in the league for rushing with Sammy Morris Kevin Faulk and BJGE handling the majority of the duties. This year we have Fred Taylor and Sammy Morris who if they stay healthy are very solid veterans, you got a 25 yr old Maroney in a contract year and the ever reliable Faulk. No superstars but guys who can split the load and produce when needed. Being a pass first offense, Welker is the guy who gets first down yardage in place of a first down run. Obviously for the amount they run a probowl rb isnt needed. If you got a guy like Chad Henne at QB a higher emphasis is needed on your running back but when you have Tom Brady obviously you think pass first.
Like I said let the season play out and we will see ill eat my words if I have to but I still see Miami as the third team in that division and I dont think its even close... Im predicting a 9-7 record for them AT BEST
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07-30-2010, 10:20 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
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49ers signed 2 of their top 4 picks, offensive tackle Anthony Davis and linebacker Navorro Bowman.
Both were represented by Drew Rosenhaus.
Now for Iaputi and Mays.....
Edit: Quote from Anthony Davis: " I let (Drew Rosenhaus) know that getting here on time was a priority. Make it happen."
Edit2: Taylor Mays is signed. 4 year deal.
Edit3: And that would be the final draft pick signed and in the house! per Schefter: "Niners keeping busy: Now they have signed their other first-round pick, guard Mike Iupati, to a five-year deal."
Let training camp begin. Rookies are reporting today, Vets aren't expected until tomorrow but apparently a lot of them are in the clubhouse already.
Game on!
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07-30-2010, 02:15 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Mar 2009
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Originally Posted by Papi34
Dolphins always play the pats hard they are always close games wether the dolphins are a good team or not. Remember 2007? they almost beat the pats in their undefeated regular season. But thats only 2 games against the Pats they still have 14 others. Most likely they split the 2 games but i dont see them winning more than the pats. You say they have no running game but that simply isnt true.. its run by committee.. If you remember correctly in 2008 with Cassell at the helms the pats were 7th in the league for rushing with Sammy Morris Kevin Faulk and BJGE handling the majority of the duties. This year we have Fred Taylor and Sammy Morris who if they stay healthy are very solid veterans, you got a 25 yr old Maroney in a contract year and the ever reliable Faulk. No superstars but guys who can split the load and produce when needed. Being a pass first offense, Welker is the guy who gets first down yardage in place of a first down run. Obviously for the amount they run a probowl rb isnt needed. If you got a guy like Chad Henne at QB a higher emphasis is needed on your running back but when you have Tom Brady obviously you think pass first.
Like I said let the season play out and we will see ill eat my words if I have to but I still see Miami as the third team in that division and I dont think its even close... Im predicting a 9-7 record for them AT BEST
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dear god is he 14?
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07-30-2010, 04:18 PM
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Fearmongerer
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Yeah as expected the hold out draft picks are falling like flies now...
17 1st rounders now inked, and every 2nd rnder but two.
http://backseatfan.com/2010/04/2010-...igning-status/
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07-30-2010, 06:11 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Sowa
Antonio Cromartie: $1.7 million
Jim Leonhard: $1.625 million
Brodney Pool: $1.3 million
Eric Smith: $1.176 million
Drew Coleman: $1.175 million
James Ihedigbo: $1.101 million
Kyle Wilson will be over 1 million as well...
Revis is going to make less than all of these guys this year. Revis deserves to be the best paid corner in the league, but you have to ignore the Asomugha's contract because the Raiders are kinda dumb... I'd give Revis 12-13 mil a year.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jet...#ixzz0vAuzOQgv
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Aso gets paid the most because he is by far the best, and its not even really close
Revis gets the numbers of pass broken up and INT's, which leads to the ESPN hype add to that he plays in New York
However last season Nnamdi got thrown at 28 times, Revis got thrown at 111 times. Revis was thrown at more times in every 4 game stretch of the season (1-4, 5-8 etc.) than Nnamdi all season.
Nnamdi puts half the field on lock down for 16 games a year, thats less than 2 passes a game thrown at him
but I guess its dumb to sign someone who completely takes away half the field
10-12m is probly fair for Revis, it would be an underpayment for Aso
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07-30-2010, 11:46 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf
Aso gets paid the most because he is by far the best, and its not even really close
Revis gets the numbers of pass broken up and INT's, which leads to the ESPN hype add to that he plays in New York
However last season Nnamdi got thrown at 28 times, Revis got thrown at 111 times. Revis was thrown at more times in every 4 game stretch of the season (1-4, 5-8 etc.) than Nnamdi all season.
Nnamdi puts half the field on lock down for 16 games a year, thats less than 2 passes a game thrown at him
but I guess its dumb to sign someone who completely takes away half the field
10-12m is probly fair for Revis, it would be an underpayment for Aso
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So are you actually going to compare what happened during those pass attempts or just spout that Asomugha got thrown at less?
Asomugha 21/28 completion rate 75%
Revis 41/111 completion rate 36.9%
Advantage Revis
That's a big difference. Sorry to throw that at you. Revis and Asomugha are the 2 best no doubt in anyone's mind and I won't even say Revis is better because I am not sure he is. The above is pretty telling though.
I will add this the Jets D was way better than the Raiders. Revis got targeted more because of it. However this also means that teams stayed away from Nmadi because the rest of the D was terrible. So the only time Asomugha got thrown at were pretty wide open plays.
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07-31-2010, 12:18 AM
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Sam Bradford has agreed to a six year deal worth $50 million in guarantees. According to the St.Louis dispatch the deal could be worth a total of $78 million. http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...0,880495.story
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07-31-2010, 08:01 AM
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What the freaking hell?
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07-31-2010, 10:01 AM
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Brandon Marshalls offseason surgery he seems to be just fine, according to the first day of training camp he was making some great catches including one where Vontae Davis had him covered perfectly but he out leaped Vontae to get it. This can only make our second year cornerback tandems better playing against a quality receiver. Really looking forward to this season.
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07-31-2010, 10:53 AM
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Buccaneers have agreed to a five year deal with Gerald McCoy and a six year deal with RFA Donald Penn. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5426219
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