Floyd Landis comes clean about PED's...implicates several others.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by habernac

The guy is a genetic freak, and until I see proof otherwise, that's what I'm going by. Do you know why he's so fast? Because he studies it like no one else has. He hired people and tested new products in wind tunnels to shave milliseconds off his time. He scouted stages months before the Tour to find the best places to attack. He trained longer and harder in the crappiest weather. He has an artery that is 3 times the size of most people's. And a resting heart rate of 29 BPM at his prime. He was given a physical gift. The only thing that has beat him is father time.

PEDs >>>> all of those things

He is entitled to a presumption of innocence, but I would not bet $0.01 that there will not be irrefutable evidence of PEDs within the next 10 years.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by habernac

The guy is a genetic freak, and until I see proof otherwise, that's what I'm going by. Do you know why he's so fast? Because he studies it like no one else has. He hired people and tested new products in wind tunnels to shave milliseconds off his time. He scouted stages months before the Tour to find the best places to attack. He trained longer and harder in the crappiest weather. He has an artery that is 3 times the size of most people's. And a resting heart rate of 29 BPM at his prime. He was given a physical gift. The only thing that has beat him is father time.

Cycling has, by far, the most comprehensive testing policy of all sports. You have to tell the federation where you will be at all times so they can show up with zero notice and tell you to piss in a cup.

If he's dirty, he's got some pretty amazing doctors. So far, there's been ZERO hard evidence. Innocent until proven guilty. And no one has proven a damn thing.

Then so are Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa and of course Barry Bonds among others. And I simply cannot say that in good conscience. Just because Armstrong is a great guy and an inspiration to millions, doesnt mean he is above the same scrutiny as the others named above.

Unfortunately the whole premise of innocence has been absolutely shattered in the last decade in almost every sport going....because lets be honest, it is now irrefutable that athletes were cheating for at least the last 20+ years and even longer in the Eastern European blocks before that.

[flames_1987]

I'm hoping Lance is clean just so Landis doesn't get a minute more of media exposure.

[dirk diggler]

cant trust a guy named Floyd..... i personally feel that Armstrong is as dirty as the rest of them, although if he could beat the tests, then why couldnt everyone else? i hope the truth comes out...

[rubecube]

I really hope Armstrong is clean. He's one of the last good stories in sports.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Lance Armstrong is an interesting story.

To date the Vrijman Report in probably the most important document that supposedly exonerates Armstrong of the allegations put against him by L'Equipe, where they claimed that some of his '99 test results were positive for EPO.

My only issue with Vrijman is he is now a defense lawyer for high profile athletes accused of doping, and I have to question his moral compass at the time of writing his report.

I read a good article about Armstrong in the National Post last Friday. Basically it asked whether it's OK if he cheated because of all the money he raised for cancer research. Absolutely cheating is wrong, but to do so in the name of a good cause?

But let’s say it is proven Lance Armstrong used PEDs. Would it be better if he had used ill-gotten gains — and even that is arguable, since it’s possible that every contender was doping, and Armstrong would have been the best — and put them towards a worthy goal? Would he be Robin Hood on a bike?

http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/L...803/story.html

I honestly don't know where to stand on this issue because the whole situation is so murky. It's hard to have a moral high ground in the situation because it seems as though everyone is cheating.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I really hope Armstrong is clean. He's one of the last good stories in sports.

I had that same opinion til I met him and have had several other friends who have met him. To say the guy thinks his poo don't stink is an understatement. It's sad that in one of the coolest cities in the world, arguably our two biggest celebs are total ass clowns. Armstrong and McConaghey (sp?)

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by habernac

who do you believe?

I think the sport of cycling has shown that you don't believe any of them. Including Lance. Way too many coverups and infractions for way too long by way too many people, to trust anybody. Fans pretend it doesn't exist, and the riders and teams all go along with it. I don't believe a word any of them says.

Such a shame for such a great sport. I'll stick to the bike paths!

[flames_fan_down_under]

Armstrong get's a lawyer.

http://www.tsn.ca/other_sports/story/?id=328149

Having matt mcconaughey as one of his BFF's does little to earn my respect as far as his judge of character goes.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I think the sport of cycling has shown that you don't believe any of them. Including Lance. Way too many coverups and infractions for way too long by way too many people, to trust anybody. Fans pretend it doesn't exist, and the riders and teams all go along with it. I don't believe a word any of them says.

Such a shame for such a great sport. I'll stick to the bike paths!

Pro cycling, the tour especially, has never wanted to stop riders doping, it is only publicity that has forced them to do anything.

Doped riders are faster in much the same way doped batters hit further.

If the tour could they would quietly let the riders go back to what they have always done. Tom Simpson died of a heart attack brought on by amphetamine use on the summit of the Ventoux in '67.

[SportsJunky]

Floyd Landis again accuses Lance Armstrong of using performance-enhancing drugs

Asked whether he thought Armstrong's performances were fraudulent, Landis said, "Well, it depends on what your definition of fraud is. I mean it — look — if he didn't win the Tour, someone else that was doped would have won the Tour."

You can watch the 3 minute video here

[killer_carlson]

Landis is this generation's Ben Johnson. A disgraced athelete with no Plan B to make a living other than selling his tory and making himself look like an idiot in interview after interview after interview.

In a couple of years Landis will be racing a horse down a horsetrack.

[dirk diggler]

the question i have is, if Armstrong is guilty, then how does he avoid being detected on over 300 tests over the years but it seems like everyone else in cycling get caught? if he is guilty and is able to fool the tests then why doesnt everyone else "fool" the tests?

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

the question i have is, if Armstrong is guilty, then how does he avoid being detected on over 300 tests over the years but it seems like everyone else in cycling get caught? if he is guilty and is able to fool the tests then why doesnt everyone else "fool" the tests?

The vast majority of them have....

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Dan02

The vast majority of them have....

but if they know how to fool the system, why did a guy like Landis get caught? i do think Armstrong is as guilty as the rest of them... time will tell

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Landis is this generation's Ben Johnson. A disgraced athelete with no Plan B to make a living other than selling his tory and making himself look like an idiot in interview after interview after interview.

In a couple of years Landis will be racing a horse down a horsetrack.

Then Armstrong is Carl Lewis or Florence Griffith Joyner. Also on drugs but never caught.

[sureLoss]

Another teammate saying that Armstrong was doping.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/sp...g.html?_r=1&hp

A former teammate of Armstrong said in a telephone interview Wednesday that he had spoken with investigators. He said he detailed some of his own drug use, as well as the widespread cheating that he said went on as part of the Postal Service team — all of which he said was done with Armstrong’s knowledge and encouragement.
The rider, who has never tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs or methods, asked that his name not be used because investigators advised him not to speak publicly about the information he provided. He has not been called before the grand jury that has been convened in Los Angeles to investigate the case.

[troutman]

http://www.fanhouse.com/2010/09/16/l...ncers-in-reco/

Federal authorities have reportedly obtained an important piece of evidence linking Lance Armstrong to performance-enhancing drugs. Greg LeMond (pictured), a three-time Tour de France winner, secretly recorded a telephone call six years ago with a woman close to Lance Armstrong who was in Armstrong's hospital room in 1996 when he told cancer doctors about his use of performance-enhancing drugs, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Sources told the Los Angeles Times that the woman who engaged in the phone call with LeMond is Stephanie McIlvain, who served as Armstrong's liaison at Oakley and was a confidant. Prosecutors have already subpoenaed McIlvain.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...,2851394.story

Mark Fabiani, a member of Armstrong's legal team, said, "Greg LeMond's illegal tape is the stalest of all the stale news to emerge from this inquiry so far: Ms. McIlvain disavowed this during her 2005 sworn deposition, and Mr. LeMond violated California law when he made the tape in yet another of his pathetic attempts to settle old cycling grudges."

[united]

SI has been stirring up more controversy this week:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ong/index.html

In the late 1990s, according to a source with knowledge of the government's investigation of Armstrong, the Texan gained access to a drug, in clinical trial, called HemAssist, developed by Baxter Healthcare Corp. HemAssist was to be used for cases of extreme blood loss. In animal studies, it had been shown to boost the blood's oxygen-carrying capacity, without as many risks as EPO. (Armstrong, through his lawyer, denies ever taking HemAssist.)

EDIT: Here is the full story:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...44/1/index.htm

And here are some good comments on it:
http://www.theservicecourse.com/2011/01/ifthen.html

lancearmstrong
Great to hear that @usada is investigating some of @si's claims. I look forward to being vindicated.

[Jason14h]

Great to hear that @usada is investigating some of @si's claims. I look forward to being vindicated.

I hear Barry Bonds is also looking forward to being vindicated!