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Machiavelli · 07-24-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck

Gawwd I hate when girls do that.

Do what?

HPLovecraft · 07-24-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

if he thought she was going for her gun, the response of pushing her down is inconsistant with such a thought. Not only would he have pushed her down, he would have alerted his colleagues who also would have responded, likely with some sort of weapon drawn.

The cop screwed up and it sounds like he knew he did so. I can respect that he reported the incident immediately and apologized. That's a cop I can live with.

Now as far as that Toronto bubbles clip, that one has my full support for the cops on that one. She was deliberately trying to provoke a response by blowing bubbles towards him. For all we know, she could have had something much more caustic than regular soap in the bubble mixture. I don't have a lot of respect for NDP going out of their way to provoke cops into a physical response. The cop gave her an appropriate warning and she kept it up. She was held accountable.

Actually, she was blowing bubbles beside the female cop, not the male one, and she was handling it fine before Captain Hero arrived and threatened to arrest her for assault. Not sure why that's "provoking" a cop into a physical response. . . . If a cop feels the need to open a can of whoop-ass over some blown bubbles in the air, maybe they shouldn't be in that line of work.

calumniate · 07-24-2010, 09:06 PM

To me it seemed like the cop had fake lats syndrome (FLS), along with the other two. The woman didn't know which way to get around him, probably mumbled something and got pushed.

Yeah it's a crazy neighbourhood but walking 3 side by side like that what did they think would happen. Somebody's going to stray into you. The people in hastings don't really go from A to B they just wander around.

In the end though I would just say apology accepted, and let karma take care of the rest.

puckluck · 07-24-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Do what?

Well I was semi-joking, but what I meant was....ahh nvm.

That. Get someone interested with a statement, and then when they ask you about it they say "nevermind". It's not only females that do that, but I guess I don't care when a male does that because I probably wouldn't care what they had to say.

bcb · 07-24-2010, 10:26 PM

"You touch me with those bubbles, you're going into custody!"

Hack&Lube · 07-24-2010, 10:33 PM

Stay Classy Vancouver

killer_carlson · 07-25-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Actually, she was blowing bubbles beside the female cop, not the male one, and she was handling it fine before Captain Hero arrived and threatened to arrest her for assault. Not sure why that's "provoking" a cop into a physical response. . . . If a cop feels the need to open a can of whoop-ass over some blown bubbles in the air, maybe they shouldn't be in that line of work.

In you opinion, what was the bubble blower hoping to accomplish with those actions?

Clearly it's a confrontation. She was given ample warning to stop, and didn't. She knew the consequences. They didn't go all Rodney King on her. They didn't throw her down. THey quietly took her into custody.

Or are you part of the crowd that thinks that cops should stand there and accept all sorts of crap tossed at them?

transplant99 · 07-25-2010, 09:59 AM

I guess the question I would ask of those that think the cop knew the woman was no more than a handicapped woman who wasnt possibly reaching for his gun...why did the guy do it then?

Why did he push the obviously smaller and in capable women to the ground if he didnt feel any threat?

Did he do it just for kicks? In the middle of the day in front of dozens of witnesses? Honestly?

Sometimes things are rather simple to explain without some huge conspiracy behind them. This looks like one of those deals to me. Cop reacted because he thought she was too close to his gun...as he should. No one was hurt, no over reaction at all.

i will agree though that he should have at least helped her back up....the optics of that are horrible for sure.

Flash Walken · 07-25-2010, 10:21 AM

"He reached for my gun."

"He was resisting arrest."

"He was violent and unresponsive."

"He matched the description of the suspect."

All phrases that have been used to justify rampant Vancouver Police Department brutality.

Pinner · 07-25-2010, 10:30 AM

He clearly shoves her from behind, pushes on her back.

How Naive can people be? The cop is a bully.

Why he is a bully I don't know, I suspect this is not the first or the last time this cop will bully.

It's a tough job, I have enormous respect for compassionate cops that serve the public's best interest.

If this cop does this to a 80-90 lb. handicapped woman in the public eye, what is he capable of with a guy in private, when emotions are running high ?

http://www.globalnews.ca/video/index...By3rQ7Ih6_Diux

peter12 · 07-25-2010, 11:35 AM

I'll step in and add fire to the argument that it's partially the neighbourhood. East Hastings is a war-zone, I've driven through it a few times and once even tried to cut through it to get to B.C. Place. Holy crap, that place is terrifing. Needles in the gutter, junkies running around screaming, cops everywhere. 25% of the population is HIV infected, the rest are at risk, 75% have Hep C. If I'm a cop and someone runs into me, I push her as a defense mechanism. It's automatic, I wouldn't even have to think about it.

The real clincher in this scenario is that they didn't stick around to help.

HOZ · 07-25-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhettzky

I don't think so, if you look at the part where they almost collide the cop steps to the left around her and when they pass her right arm is definitely doing something somewhere around the belt because after she passes him her arm comes last. When this happens he pushes her. I'm not saying it happened for sure but to rule it out 100% you need more then this video.

Sorry, no way. At the 16 second mark the middle constable moves over to his right behind the farthest right constable. The lady moves to go between the constables and actually shift her body to fit. At 17 seconds she has her back to the constable that pushed her and the constable is already moving to push her down. 18 seconds she is on the ground.

He needs a better excuse than "She was going for my gun!"

OzSome · 07-25-2010, 12:18 PM

another typical overblown incident.

what's up with the video? it looks like everyone are overweight on that video.

flamesfever · 07-25-2010, 12:23 PM

Absolute uncaring stupidity.

Rhettzky · 07-25-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HOZ

He needs a better excuse than "She was going for my gun!"

It's inconclusive at best. There is no way you can say that she 100% did not go for the guys gun based on this video.

puckluck · 07-25-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhettzky

It's inconclusive at best. There is no way you can say that she 100% did not go for the guys gun based on this video.

Are you kidding me? the lady was obviously trying to get around the officer who was walking like he owned the city.

Rhettzky · 07-25-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck

Are you kidding me? the lady was obviously trying to get around the officer who was walking like he owned the city.

No, I'm not kidding. That video can't prove that she did or did not try to grab his gun. That's my only point. Not defending the cops at all but they smack into each other and you can't see her hands.

Jordan! · 07-25-2010, 12:51 PM

He should've lowered a shoulder.

valo403 · 07-25-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhettzky

It's inconclusive at best. There is no way you can say that she 100% did not go for the guys gun based on this video.

100% probably not, but the actions immediately following the push are inconsistent with that story. The cop thought she was going for his gun, pushes her to the ground and then does nothing? A shove followed by nothing is how cops respond to someone going for their gun? Sorry, that's just not in touch with reality.

puckluck · 07-25-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhettzky

No, I'm not kidding. That video can't prove that she did or did not try to grab his gun. That's my only point. Not defending the cops at all but they smack into each other and you can't see her hands.

Ok if a video can't prove it, what can? Does the fact that the cop is writing a apology letter prove it? That he admitted making a mistake prove it?

No matter what information comes out, cop defenders will always find excuses. It is clear as day to anyone who watches the video except for a few people who will never be satisfied with the truth being that a cop acted unprofessional.

It's always the same excuse when cops are found to be over aggressive in their tactics.

Remember the Vancouver police/RCMP airport incident? how the cops lied even though it was caught on video? All people involved in that incident lied and were called out for their lying not too long ago.

The cop in this incident reported what happened to his supervisor not knowing it was on video. As soon as the video came out the police were quick to condemn his actions. Speaks for itself.