Cop caught on camera pushing a disabled women

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Ok I'll ask you, why was she allowed to walk off uncharged if the cop truly thought she was going for his gun?

There is no way the cop actually thought she was going for the gun. I visited Vancouver during a huge gay parade [insert jokes here] and a big fireworks show. Cops had all the streets closed off and I have never felt so disrespected. It honestly felt like I was in another country, and not Canada where I have never had my freedoms limited. It definitely is just a Vancouver thing because Calgary cops handled the Red Mile with such class. They could learn quite a few things from the Calgary police.

Calgary cops dont have to try and tackle the biggest ghetto in Canada.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Calgary cops dont have to try and tackle the biggest ghetto in Canada.

If you are a police officer you are a professional, if you can't handle the biggest ghetto in Canada I recommend asking the supervisor to transfer you to a quieter neighborhood.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Calgary cops dont have to try and tackle the biggest ghetto in Canada.

Tackle being the appropriate terminology in this case.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

Try walking down that street without feeling super on edge/paranoid.

Armed to the teeth with 2 more cops also armed, VS. a 90 lb chick with MS...

I think I would be OK

Clearly the cop is a bully, it's not that unusual as it's a natural aptitude for some cops.

[Ozy_Flame]

This is making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Does this sort of furor over something so minor happen in the United States or the UK? Probably not.

It sucks the woman was pushed down, but guess what - life goes on, poop happens, and 20 years from now there are going to be bigger issues to look back on than this minor, minor issue.

[Jason14h]

As Ludacris would say "Move Beatch, get out the way!"

[afc wimbledon]

He shoved her in the back as he passed her, the gun excuse is BS. Just VPD policing the DTES with their usual tact.

They have had to let go of most of their senior cops and hire a bunch of kids over the last 3 years. As a result they mostly act like self rightous a**h***s these days.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Ok I'll ask you, why was she allowed to walk off uncharged if the cop truly thought she was going for his gun?

There is no way the cop actually thought she was going for the gun. I visited Vancouver during a huge gay parade [insert jokes here] and a big fireworks show. Cops had all the streets closed off and I have never felt so disrespected. It honestly felt like I was in another country, and not Canada where I have never had my freedoms limited. It definitely is just a Vancouver thing because Calgary cops handled the Red Mile with such class. They could learn quite a few things from the Calgary police.

Cops have to make judgment calls about certain situations.

I'll be honest - I have my doubts that the woman said "excuse me please, I have a disability", 3 times prior to the cop connecting with her. Granted there is no audio for this and all we have is her word to go on. Hey, if she did and this still happened, the cops are probably in the wrong.

In East Hastings it is difficult to tell if someone has CP or is simply high as a kite. Someone stumbling around or having spasms is a regular occurrence there. Don't believe me? Next time you are in Vancouver, drive around that hellhole. We have NOTHING that remotely compares to that here. Nothing.

Given the fact that she was hanging out in East Hastings strongly suggests that CP isn't her only problem (possible schizophrenia or other mental illness, likely homeless as well, drug addiction, etc). If in fact she was muttering like a nutter (instead of politely saying excuse me and professing her disability) and nudges a cop around the gun belt... well good luck with that. Cops are already on edge. If she goes down and begins swearing or continues to beak off at the cops - well, they're probably not going to help you up.

This is a very real situation where the cops wont toss some petty, disabled and maybe crazy criminal in jail. They'll be released in a couple days and declared mentally unfit to stand trial, a possible fine which never gets paid, resulting in a systematic waste of money and everyone's time.

We don't have all the facts in this case. But I just took a situation and applied a much more real and likely scenario (In East Hastings) to it than some of you just did. There just isn't enough evidence to go on based on that video alone.

[Pinner]

How's the coolaid Carmon ?

[Knut]

http://www.coolaid.org/ ? Wow.. glad you are so charitable Carmon

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Hesla

http://www.coolaid.org/ ? Wow.. glad you are so charitable Carmon

Well considering Pinner has already accused cops of pushing a woman with MS (must be another article I missed), accused me of building low cost homes for the disadvantaged and misspelled my name...

Just par for the course for his CalgaryPuck contributions.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Cops have to make judgment calls about certain situations.

I'll be honest - I have my doubts that the woman said "excuse me please, I have a disability", 3 times prior to the cop connecting with her. Granted there is no audio for this and all we have is her word to go on. Hey, if she did and this still happened, the cops are probably in the wrong.

Whether or not she said excuse me should make no difference whether the cop was in the wrong. Being rude should not warrant being pushed to the ground like that, although I'm sure it would cross a lot of officers minds, but 99 percent act the professional way.

In East Hastings it is difficult to tell if someone has CP or is simply high as a kite. Someone stumbling around or having spasms is a regular occurrence there. Don't believe me? Next time you are in Vancouver, drive around that hellhole. We have NOTHING that remotely compares to that here. Nothing.

I do believe you, because I have driven past there, and it was the most horrible sight I could imagine, BUT again being high or drunk in public should not get you pushed unless you are agressive, which she clearly wasn't. We might not have anything remotely close to that, but if the cops can't handle that then they should find another job.

Given the fact that she was hanging out in East Hastings strongly suggests that CP isn't her only problem (possible schizophrenia or other mental illness, likely homeless as well, drug addiction, etc). If in fact she was muttering like a nutter (instead of politely saying excuse me and professing her disability) and nudges a cop around the gun belt... well good luck with that. Cops are already on edge. If she goes down and begins swearing or continues to beak off at the cops - well, they're probably not going to help you up.

I really don't even care that she was disabled. I would still be pissed if it was just a totally sane woman being pushed. Her mental state makes no difference to me as she is still a human being and a Canadian and shouldn't be treated the way she was.

This is a very real situation where the cops wont toss some petty, disabled and maybe crazy criminal in jail. They'll be released in a couple days and declared mentally unfit to stand trial, a possible fine which never gets paid, resulting in a systematic waste of money and everyone's time.

Well it's not her fault the system is flawed. She didn't even do anything to be arrested in the first place so that argument doesn't work. Anyone who watches the video knows what truly happened and would be pretty biased to say the cop actually thought she was going for his gun.

We don't have all the facts in this case. But I just took a situation and applied a much more real and likely scenario (In East Hastings) to it than some of you just did. There just isn't enough evidence to go on based on that video alone.

I will never understand when people say there isn't enough evidence in a video because I watched the video and it's clear as day, even without audio.

And I'm definitely not a cop hater. I have the most respect in the world for officers who risk their lives everyday to serve and protect. Just a couple bad apples in the batch.

Anyways I'm off to enjoy this beautiful weather.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Well considering Pinner has already accused cops of pushing a woman with MS (must be another article I missed), accused me of building low cost homes for the disadvantaged and misspelled my name...

Just par for the course for his CalgaryPuck contributions.

Don't take offense. He's been trying to bait me calling me potluck for the last few months, but he has failed

[CrusaderPi]

I'm not forming an opinion on this until Jetsfan chimes in.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can't believe some of you are buying that crap! Thought this woman who is clearly disabled was going for his gun? B.S! The cop was being a dick and he got caught so he had to say something.

Well, the woman who is clearly disabled bought it.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Whether or not she said excuse me should make no difference whether the cop was in the wrong. Being rude should not warrant being pushed to the ground like that, although I'm sure it would cross a lot of officers minds, but 99 percent act the professional way.

I do believe you, because I have driven past there, and it was the most horrible sight I could imagine, BUT again being high or drunk in public should not get you pushed unless you are aggressive, which she clearly wasn't. We might not have anything remotely close to that, but if the cops can't handle that then they should find another job.

I will never understand when people say there isn't enough evidence in a video because I watched the video and it's clear as day, even without audio.

You're missing the point I'm trying to make. You're making the mistake of breaking every single piece of the video down into an isolated incident, when this isn't the case. I think the audio is key because really without it, we're only seeing half of the real picture.

If the woman was being rude to the officer in question (or crazy) - then all the sudden makes physical contact with the officer - in that case the officer would be justified in knocking her down. Cops have been attacked in similar conditions. If I was a cop and some crazy puts his/her hands on me in that situation, my first reaction would be to push them away from me or to the ground since the first thoughts running through my head would be "I am being attacked".

Cops have a target painted on their back in that neighborhood. As for not helping her up, can't say why they didn't. If she was being verbally abusive at that point, it was probably best to leave her there.

Again, we don't have a full picture to make an accurate judgment.

[Pinner]

[QUOTE=CaramonLS;2607210]Well considering Pinner has already accused cops of pushing a woman with MS [QUOTE]

I saw this on Global Vancouver the other day and I'm sure they said MS, but it dose it really matter whether it is Cerebral Palsy or Multiple sclerosis ? The cop bullied a person that was clearly handicapped.

Global BC interviewed her and she is very small and feeble, 80-90 lbs.

Better Video 4th row down middle, I couldn't link it directly ?

http://www.globalnews.ca/video/index.html

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I think the audio is key because really without it, we're only seeing half of the real picture.

What audio could justify 1 of three cops slamming a feeble little girl into the ground ?

Seriously ?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Pinner

I saw this on Global Vancouver the other day and I'm sure they said MS, but it dose it really matter whether it is Cerebral Palsy or Multiple sclerosis ? The cop bullied a person that was clearly handicapped.

Global BC interviewed her and she is very small and feeble, 80-90 lbs.

Better Video 4th row down middle, I couldn't link it directly ?

http://www.globalnews.ca/video/index.html

It is a different disease and it does matter. Read up a little bit on the disease and you can see how it has an extremely wide range of symptoms and can encompass many different types of behavior. In a split second, it would be difficult in East Hastings to tell if someone is simply handicapped or tweaking.

"very small and feeble" is nothing more than sensationalist language in this scenario. Does being small somehow make you potentially any less threatening than someone who is huge? Does being small prevent you from owning or concealing a weapon?

There is a very simple lesson to be learned from this: don't touch cops. Bad things happen with you do.

And yes, I do feel bad for the woman as it is quite obvious she isn't getting treatment she needs to potentially live a more normal life. Especially if it really was an involuntary muscle spasm which caused her to touch the cop.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Pinner

What audio could justify 1 of three cops slamming a feeble little girl into the ground ?

Seriously ?

Here, I'll give you an example.

Woman stumbling and muttering "######ing pigs, stupid POS, get out of our neighborhood, I'll kill you if you come back here".

Woman makes contact with cop who she was just verbally abusing.

Cop reacts in a split second to the abusive woman touching him and instinctively pushes her to the ground.