"Fox News North": 24-Hour Right-Leaning Network In the Works for Canada

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Interestingly, Fox News appears to have been the only major media outlet to treat the recent Shirley Sherrod resignation fiasco in a "fair and balanced" manner, according to venerable media critic Howard Kurtz of the left leaning Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08.html?sub=AR

But for all the chatter -- some of it from Sherrod herself -- that she was done in by Fox News, the network didn't touch the story until her forced resignation was made public Monday evening, with the exception of brief comments by O'Reilly. After a news meeting Monday afternoon, an e-mail directive was sent to the news staff in which Fox Senior Vice President Michael Clemente said: "Let's take our time and get the facts straight on this story. Can we get confirmation and comments from Sherrod before going on-air. Let's make sure we do this right."

Sherrod may be the only official ever dismissed because of the fear that Fox host Glenn Beck might go after her. As Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack tried to pressure her into resigning, Sherrod says Deputy Under Secretary Cheryl Cook called her Monday to say "do it, because you're going to be on 'Glenn Beck' tonight." And for all the focus on Fox, much of the mainstream media ran with a fragmentary story that painted an obscure 62-year-old Georgian as an unrepentant racist.

Cowperson

A white person would have been villified for saying what she did.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Good point.

I read something in The Economist a couple weeks ago about how some Republican have to adopt (or already believe) some of the extremist viewpoints of the Tea Party just to get on the ballot.

What exactly do you consider "extreme" about the tea party?

The republicans are trying to infiltrate or hijack (if you will) the tea party movement, as it is gaining popularity, despite media attempts to smear it as somehow racist, or "extreme".

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

What exactly do you consider "extreme" about the tea party?

The republicans are trying to infiltrate or hijack (if you will) the tea party movement, as it is gaining popularity, despite media attempts to smear it as somehow racist, or "extreme".

I don't know, I guess all the business about "socialism", comparing Obama to Hitler, rallying around a certifiable (extreme) morons like Glenn Beck and Michelle Bachmann... That strikes me as "extremist".

The whole "coincidence" of the Tea Party suddenly forming to protest government spending at exactly the same time the black guy becomes President is rather suspicious. He was nowhere near the controls when the whole bailout thing was started, but it's his fault?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't know, I guess all the business about "socialism", comparing Obama to Hitler, rallying around a certifiable (extreme) morons like Glenn Beck and Michelle Bachmann... That strikes me as "extremist".

The whole "coincidence" of the Tea Party suddenly forming to protest government spending at exactly the same time the black guy becomes President is rather suspicious. He was nowhere near the controls when the whole bailout thing was started, but it's his fault?

Oh please, you must have formed your entire opinion on what the mainstream talking heads have to say about the tea party...

CNN for example, would never want to "promote" the tea party because the tea party would bring the troops home. CNN however is owned by corporations that also make money on selling weapons and war machines.....

Glenn Beck is not part of the tea party. He is simply a moron.

And that black guy you are refering to is doing an awful job. His ratings are terrible. He is simply carrying on the Bush plan. Obama was all about "change" and "hope"......haha. The economy will crash, the wars will escalate, and the constitution will continue to be ripped to shreds in favour of more globalization.

In the past I have seen people attending the republican/democrat party events with stupid signs as well, but that doesn't mean those messages are what the platform of the party is. People are fed up...

It is too bad that any criticism of Obama will go straight to the race card.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Interestingly, Fox News appears to have been the only major media outlet to treat the recent Shirley Sherrod resignation fiasco in a "fair and balanced" manner, according to venerable media critic Howard Kurtz of the left leaning Washington Post.

Looks like FOX was all over Sherrod to me - clip from Rachel Maddow - at 4:25 . . .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908...show/#38335268

Rachel vs. Bill, Bill vs. Rachel - blah blah blah

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908...show/#38372844

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

It is too bad that any criticism of Obama will go straight to the race card.

Well thought out arguments regarding real issues based on evidence and reality aren't played off as racism.


However, an example on the other end of things: If you're demanding to see his 'real' birth certificate... you're probably a racist.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Well thought out arguments regarding real issues based on evidence and reality aren't played off as racism.


However, an example on the other end of things: If you're demanding to see his 'real' birth certificate... you're probably a racist.

How so?
It is pretty obvious that Obama is black, the birth certificate issue (which I don't care too much about, what's done is done) is based on whether he is a U.S. citizen or a foreigner. If you are not a citizen of the US, the constitution says you cannot be president.

I have a feeling that the mainstream will attach racism to all criticism of Obama as tensions heighten while he forges ahead with carbon taxes, more economic stimulus, war spending, and globalization. Race is such a dividing issue in the United States, so this is easy to manipulate if the media is on your side.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

And that black guy you are refering to is doing an awful job. His ratings are terrible. He is simply carrying on the Bush plan. Obama was all about "change" and "hope"......haha. The economy will crash, the wars will escalate, and the constitution will continue to be ripped to shreds in favour of more globalization.

...

It is too bad that any criticism of Obama will go straight to the race card.

1) The sad / funny thing about the Tea Party is that they're not even focused on the real important Constitutional issues. They want to adhere to the Constitution blah blah blah but there is not one Tea Party splinter group that is shouting from the rooftops about how the current and past administrations have been incarcerating (and marking for death) US citizens without due process. I'm not sure you can find much in the Constitution about running fiscal debts, but I'm quite sure there is at least one prominent line about the rights of American citizens to due process. The Tea Party's complaints are just an amalgamation of the fiscal and cultural anxieties of the middle / lower middle class of white America bubbling to the surface.

2) As for the race card, i see it being played in reverse. The 'aggrieved' whites are trying to play themselves as the victims in current society, as living under a new 'regime' (a term used constantly on Fox / Limbaugh / Ingraham / Bachmann / Tea Party Express spokesman Williams). The NAACP, the new black panthers, and Sherrod stories are all being framed on these venues as the white person being the victim. This is typical of majorities who feel the landscape shifting underneath their feet, expressing publicly and vaguely that they "want their America / country back" because they have no other way of expressing the nativism that they're feeling deep inside.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

1) The sad / funny thing about the Tea Party is that they're not even focused on the real important Constitutional issues. They want to adhere to the Constitution blah blah blah but there is not one Tea Party splinter group that is shouting from the rooftops about how the current and past administrations have been incarcerating (and marking for death) US citizens without due process. I'm not sure you can find much in the Constitution about running fiscal debts, but I'm quite sure there is at least one prominent line about the rights of American citizens to due process. The Tea Party's complaints are just an amalgamation of the fiscal and cultural anxieties of the middle / lower middle class of white America bubbling to the surface.

2) As for the race card, i see it being played in reverse. The 'aggrieved' whites are trying to play themselves as the victims in current society, as living under a new 'regime' (a term used constantly on Fox / Limbaugh / Ingraham / Bachmann / Tea Party Express spokesman Williams). The NAACP, the new black panthers, and Sherrod stories are all being framed on these venues as the white person being the victim. This is typical of majorities who feel the landscape shifting underneath their feet, expressing publicly and vaguely that they "want their America / country back" because they have no other way of expressing the nativism that they're feeling deep inside.

I am fairly sure that the tea party is against the Patriot Act (passed after 9/11), which allows those exact activites you mentioned.

I guess it comes down to how you interpret them "wanting their country back". I think people feel that things are spinning out of control, and many think that the U.S. is being influenced by corporations (including banks) and globalization.

"The Tea Party's complaints are just an amalgamation of the fiscal and cultural anxieties of the middle / lower middle class of white America bubbling to the surface."

Exactly. Remember the middle/lower class IS the vast majority of America. They feel the government is not acting in their best interest, and now you see these tea party movements picking up some momentum. This is all because both republican and democrat governments have failed, and confidence in both parties is dropping.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by peter12

The country is already deeply divided.

Seriously, Canada?

Look at the last elections in each respective country. America was passionate with record number of voters... right now... Canadians don't care.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Oh please, you must have formed your entire opinion on what the mainstream talking heads have to say about the tea party...

Of course. And I presume you get your information from late night talk shows and lunatic conspiracy cranks.

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Glenn Beck is not part of the tea party. He is simply a moron.

It's easy to be both!

And I don't know if he's a card-carrying member, but the googles tell me he's hosting a Tea Party rally in Washington next month.

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

He is simply carrying on the Bush plan. Obama was all about "change" and "hope"......haha.

Okay, so where was the Tea Party when Bush was doing the same thing Obama is doing? This phenomenon started at the same time Obama took over the "Bush plan".

It was just a coincidence that they finally grew tired of this decades-old globalization/war-profit/NWO plan the day Obama won the election?

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

It is too bad that any criticism of Obama will go straight to the race card.

Sometimes the race card gets played because because the card game is Race.

[icarus]

I wonder which form of conservatism it will take with respect to the US, either:

1. A fully sympathetic approach to the Replican party (like Fox News US); or,
2. An ultra-patriotic jingoism that leads to regular derision towards its neighbour and major trade ally (like Fox News US)

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

How so?
It is pretty obvious that Obama is black, the birth certificate issue (which I don't care too much about, what's done is done) is based on whether he is a U.S. citizen or a foreigner. If you are not a citizen of the US, the constitution says you cannot be president.

If at the beginning you had doubts... ok, fine - might be able to give someone a pass on checking the birth certificate. It's quite the coincidence that the first real challenge of this type comes for the first non-white president... but ok... rules are rules. But now after all that's happened?

He was allowed to run. Then he released the birth certificate to the public. It was verified by independent agencies, the health department in Hawaii, the (republican) governor of Hawaii and the supreme court. Also, the birth announcement printed in the Hawaii newspaper that could only have come directly from the hospital was released.

If all of this is not enough to satisfy someone, then one can only assume they are racist because what else are they possibly basing this on, other than the color of his skin? It's the only explanation that I can come up with that fits. Honestly - I'd like to know where there are any possible holes in his story.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

How so?
It is pretty obvious that Obama is black, the birth certificate issue (which I don't care too much about, what's done is done) is based on whether he is a U.S. citizen or a foreigner. If you are not a citizen of the US, the constitution says you cannot be president.

I have a feeling that the mainstream will attach racism to all criticism of Obama as tensions heighten while he forges ahead with carbon taxes, more economic stimulus, war spending, and globalization. Race is such a dividing issue in the United States, so this is easy to manipulate if the media is on your side.

The reason its stupid is because the Republicans had very capable people vet Obama, where he comes from, where he was born and all that.

If they would have found something suspicious they would have instantly told the whole world.

That being said, I agree that the Tea Party gets slandered into a 'racist' party by a lot of people, apparently including a few in this thread who seem to want to generalize the whole party based on what a couple wackos say.

[Azure]

Okay, so where was the Tea Party when Bush was doing the same thing Obama is doing? This phenomenon started at the same time Obama took over the "Bush plan".

It was just a coincidence that they finally grew tired of this decades-old globalization/war-profit/NWO plan the day Obama won the election?

Sometimes the race card gets played because because the card game is Race.

Really, stupidest argument I have ever heard.

People protested during the Bush years too. They just never got to the point where they actually organized themselves.

That is all the Tea Party is. People who organized themselves into some sort of party to protest what the Federal Government is doing. Granted, a lot of them will almost certainly be Republicans that don't like Obama, but bringing up the race card every single time someone says something about Obama is getting to be kind of annoying, eh?

Fact is he has done a pretty horrible job as President. Seems to be carrying on the tradition of the past 8 years.

People have the right to protest and be frustrated. And like it or not, the Tea Party is the only way that voice will be heard, because the 11% approval rating Congress has, and has HAD for years now doesn't help a damn thing.