Poachers chopper into S. African game reserve, kill last female rhino

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by pylon

wiki: The penis of a tiger when consumed is said to enhance male virility and is an aphrodisiac.[1] In parts of southeast Asia it is seen as a treatment for erectile dysfunction.[2] This has contributed to the poaching of tigers for their benefits, the penis being just one of many of its assets.[1] As a result the tiger penis is often sold on the black market in China.

also: The penis of a tiger, deer, turtle or cow is consumed in restaurants in parts of China and southeast Asia and is commonly offered as a soup delicacy.[4] People have been known to spend up to $5700 (£3000) on a particularly rare tiger penis dish, something that needed to be ordered months in advance.[1] A dried tiger penis is more commonly sold at around $2500 (£1300) in Singapore and Taiwan

full article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_penis

another:

http://www.tigerhomes.org/animal/tiger-penis.cfm

FACT: Tiger trade bans work.
 China’s 16-year tiger trade ban has been an overwhelming success in reducing trade and demand.
 Worldwide bans on tiger trade have helped Russia’s tiger population recover and other wild tiger
populations to persist.
 Trade bans work when they are well enforced and backed up with public awareness campaigns.

FACT: Tiger products are not needed for human health.
 Traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) gave up the use to tiger bone 16 years ago.
 Leaders of the TCM community say they no longer need or want tiger bone, and China’s TCM
ministry has changed the official TCM pharmacopeia to remove tiger bone as a legitimate treatment.
 Alternatives to tiger bone are effective, plentiful, sustainable and embraced by TCM practitioners.

http://www.conservation.org/Document...%20Farming.pdf

[Jbo]

Just read through this entire thread. Terrible that this kind of thing is happening in the world.

[The Yen Man]

What I take offense to are the people who think their way is the right way and any other way is wrong.

Here's a prime example: people eating dogs. I mean, Western culture has labelled that as being bad and terrible, and that we should only eat cows, chickens, pigs, etc, because they aren't as cute. I mean, really, if I were to open a dog farm and raise dogs for the sake of food, what exactly is the difference between that and a cow farm? I honestly fail to see any difference.

And just as some Westerners scoff at the way of life of Chinese people, Chinese people feel the same about them. In China, any animal is potential food, be it dogs, bugs, whatever. And, they eat every part of the animal. Conversely, North Americans waste a lot of animal parts because they think it's "gross". Chinese eat cow tongues, chicken feet, and pigs feet. Hell, I've seen them eat crocodile heads on a platter. I've seen solidfied pigs blood mixed in with congee. But Western people just throw all that perfectly good food away.

So tell me which is more damaging to the environment? Some of you Westerners just like crap on China because of their bad environmental record and human rights, yet have no problem saving a few bucks by using the very products that contribute to the pollution. It's exactly the same attitude Americans have with Alberta's Oilsands. They bitch about our damage to the environment as they fill up their big SUV's with the gas coming from these sands and whine about high gas prices.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

What I take offense to are the people who think their way is the right way and any other way is wrong.

Here's a prime example: people eating dogs. I mean, Western culture has labelled that as being bad and terrible, and that we should only eat cows, chickens, pigs, etc, because they aren't as cute. I mean, really, if I were to open a dog farm and raise dogs for the sake of food, what exactly is the difference between that and a cow farm? I honestly fail to see any difference.

And just as some Westerners scoff at the way of life of Chinese people, Chinese people feel the same about them. In China, any animal is potential food, be it dogs, bugs, whatever. And, they eat every part of the animal. Conversely, North Americans waste a lot of animal parts because they think it's "gross". Chinese eat cow tongues, chicken feet, and pigs feet. Hell, I've seen them eat crocodile heads on a platter. I've seen solidfied pigs blood mixed in with congee. But Western people just throw all that perfectly good food away.

So tell me which is more damaging to the environment? Some of you Westerners just like crap on China because of their bad environmental record and human rights, yet have no problem saving a few bucks by using the very products that contribute to the pollution. It's exactly the same attitude Americans have with Alberta's Oilsands. They bitch about our damage to the environment as they fill up their big SUV's with the gas coming from these sands and whine about high gas prices.

Honest question: Have you eaten dog? What does it taste like?

I've been curious but not sure it's available as food over here and I'm not going to BBQ someone's pet.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

What I take offense to are the people who think their way is the right way and any other way is wrong.

Here's a prime example: people eating dogs. I mean, Western culture has labelled that as being bad and terrible, and that we should only eat cows, chickens, pigs, etc, because they aren't as cute. I mean, really, if I were to open a dog farm and raise dogs for the sake of food, what exactly is the difference between that and a cow farm? I honestly fail to see any difference.

And just as some Westerners scoff at the way of life of Chinese people, Chinese people feel the same about them. In China, any animal is potential food, be it dogs, bugs, whatever. And, they eat every part of the animal. Conversely, North Americans waste a lot of animal parts because they think it's "gross". Chinese eat cow tongues, chicken feet, and pigs feet. Hell, I've seen them eat crocodile heads on a platter. I've seen solidfied pigs blood mixed in with congee. But Western people just throw all that perfectly good food away.

So tell me which is more damaging to the environment? Some of you Westerners just like crap on China because of their bad environmental record and human rights, yet have no problem saving a few bucks by using the very products that contribute to the pollution. It's exactly the same attitude Americans have with Alberta's Oilsands. They bitch about our damage to the environment as they fill up their big SUV's with the gas coming from these sands and whine about high gas prices.

I thought long and hard about how to state how ridiculously offended I was at the attitudes of this thread as a Chinese person, but you've put it in a very succinct and articulate manner for me. Thanks.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Honest question: Have you eaten dog? What does it taste like?

I've been curious but not sure it's available as food over here and I'm not going to BBQ someone's pet.

No, I have not. But given a chance to (legally of course), I think I'd try it. I'm like the majority of the people who have no problems eating beef or pork: as long as I don't see how the thing is killed, then I don't care.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

What I take offense to are the people who think their way is the right way and any other way is wrong.

Here's a prime example: people eating dogs. I mean, Western culture has labelled that as being bad and terrible, and that we should only eat cows, chickens, pigs, etc, because they aren't as cute. I mean, really, if I were to open a dog farm and raise dogs for the sake of food, what exactly is the difference between that and a cow farm? I honestly fail to see any difference.

And just as some Westerners scoff at the way of life of Chinese people, Chinese people feel the same about them. In China, any animal is potential food, be it dogs, bugs, whatever. And, they eat every part of the animal. Conversely, North Americans waste a lot of animal parts because they think it's "gross". Chinese eat cow tongues, chicken feet, and pigs feet. Hell, I've seen them eat crocodile heads on a platter. I've seen solidfied pigs blood mixed in with congee. But Western people just throw all that perfectly good food away.

So tell me which is more damaging to the environment? Some of you Westerners just like crap on China because of their bad environmental record and human rights, yet have no problem saving a few bucks by using the very products that contribute to the pollution. It's exactly the same attitude Americans have with Alberta's Oilsands. They bitch about our damage to the environment as they fill up their big SUV's with the gas coming from these sands and whine about high gas prices.

There are only three animals I wouldn't eat - Dog, Cat, and Horse. The reason isn't because they are cute, it's because we made deals with those animals. They do certain things for us, we treat them different from other animals. That includes not eating them.

Other than that, I agree with alot of the rest of the post with regards to eating animals. We do waste far too much food because it's somehow "icky". Personally I find cow tongues don't taste very good, but chicken feet do. It's one of the things I like about chinese food.


That however flies in the face of poachers flying into an animal reserve, chainsawing off the horn of a female rhino, and then letting the animal bleed to death. The buyers as well as the poachers sure left some things to waste in this scenario, didn't they?

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Knalus

There are only three animals I wouldn't eat - Dog, Cat, and Horse. The reason isn't because they are cute, it's because we made deals with those animals. They do certain things for us, we treat them different from other animals. That includes not eating them.

Other than that, I agree with alot of the rest of the post with regards to eating animals. We do waste far too much food because it's somehow "icky". Personally I find cow tongues don't taste very good, but chicken feet do. It's one of the things I like about chinese food.


That however flies in the face of poachers flying into an animal reserve, chainsawing off the horn of a female rhino, and then letting the animal bleed to death. The buyers as well as the poachers sure left some things to waste in this scenario, didn't they?

What has your cat ever done for you other than (possibly) be cute?

And there's plenty of other animals that do certain stuff for us...
How about camels? Llamas? Donkey? Pigeon? Dolphin?

[The Yen Man]

Oh, I'm not arguing against what those poachers did. I'm as disgusted by it as everyone else. I was just taking offense to the Chinese bashing. Yes, I agree there are issues that China has that needs to be addressed. But so do every other nation in the world. And despite what people think, China is starting to address some of these issues. But like anything, it takes time. You can't just expect things to be solved and fixed overnight.

[narbeZ]

Yen Man, you can probably throw your ignore function on me in 5....4.....3.....2.....1

EDIT: RE EDIT

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

What has your cat ever done for you other than (possibly) be cute?

And there's plenty of other animals that do certain stuff for us...
How about camels? Llamas? Donkey? Pigeon? Dolphin?

Mousing was a big deal when we lived a subsistence agricultural existence...

[troutman]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

What I take offense to are the people who think their way is the right way and any other way is wrong.

I don't care what people eat (if it is sustainable). I do care if people eat things unnecessarily for mystical unproven effects.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Mousing was a big deal when we lived a subsistence agricultural existence...

Roosters were good alarm clocks, therefore (by Knalus' logic) we shouldn't eat chickens either.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Roosters were good alarm clocks, therefore (by Knalus' logic) we shouldn't eat chickens either.

Well, alarm clocks are a luxury. Having your grain ruined by mice is a catastrophe.

[Kybosh]

In the Singapore Zoo it seemed like every other habitat had a sign that said which cultures thought which parts of the animal had healing effects. Each sign also said that there is no proof for any of the medicinal claims.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by troutman

I don't care what people eat (if it is sustainable). I do care if people eat things unnecessarily for mystical unproven effects.

A glass of red wine is good for the heart. Errr or is it?

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Mousing was a big deal when we lived a subsistence agricultural existence...

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Roosters were good alarm clocks, therefore (by Knalus' logic) we shouldn't eat chickens either.

I didn't say that the deal we gave cats wasn't entirely one sided

And it's not so much that they are useful, it's our relationship with them. I've heard of roosters as pets, but it sure hasn't taken off.

[Bill Bumface]

If you watch a documentary on pigs and what happens when they are taken from their mothers early as on a pig farm, you'll have temporary troubles putting back the pork.

Pigs are very smart animals. I prefer beef and chicken as they are dumb compared to a pig.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Honest question: Have you eaten dog? What does it taste like?

I've been curious but not sure it's available as food over here and I'm not going to BBQ someone's pet.

It is illegal to eat dogs in China now. You have to go to some underground restaurants to find it. It's still legal to eat dogs in Korea though.

I think on the news a few weeks ago they had hidden video of a horse slaughtering plant here in Calgary. It was pretty damn disturbing. They didnt' kill this horse properly and it was on it's side and all 4 legs were wailing away.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

What has your cat ever done for you other than (possibly) be cute?

Weren't cats the first domesticated animal ? Boy did you use a bad example. LoL