No, it really doesn't. He was making a broad statement in defense of cultural traditions. You lumped all cultural traditions in as being bad without any sort of qualification.
We've had liberal democracy in Canada for over 400 years stemming from the twin traditions of British liberty and French equality. Is that as bad as the burqa?
My point was that tradition is not a valid defence if it was I would probably own some of you.
The Rodeo is good/bad was not where I was going with my thought.
I can see why others would critize my message due to my vague answer.
As one who grew up in a small farming town I get why others would be ok with some of the events but I don't, so I will just vote with my dollars.
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People don't intentionally try to harm animals during the stampede or other rodeos its just something that happens and can't be controlled.
Fundamentally, animals are going to get harmed at a rodeo because people are jumping on top of them and wrassling them to the ground, or throwing ropes around their neck and jerking them right off their feet.
It can be controlled by not jumping on top of them and/or throwing a rope around their neck. It's that simple.
I had a piece of a cow for lunch and will likely have another piece of another cow for dinner, so it's hypocritical of me to seriously gripe about this, but all these excuses don't change the fact that animals are being roughed up for our entertainment. Well, not my entertainment.
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The animals aren't the only casualties, many of the competitors get injured pretty badly but nobody cares about them because apparently they are "cruel" people.
Well yeah, people do get hurt, but they weren't forced into the rodeo at the end of a cattle prod. They volunteered for this. And they don't get shot when they break their leg. The suggestion that people don't care about injured humans in a rodeo is just plain weird.
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I never said that because something is traditional, it should be maintained, or that all traditions are worthy traditions. I specifically chose my words to avoid making an absolute statement.
What you did was prove my point exactly. Because some elements of society are terrified of the word "traditional" they try to dismiss each and every tradition with ridiculous stereotypes and extreme examples.
Certain traditions have value. To Calgarians and southern Alberta, the Stampede and rodeo are one such tradition that sets out the identity of the city and region. It is based on efforts used to settle the land and region and is embraced by the corporate and personal culture of the city. This is a tradition that has value.
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Weather it is a good or bad value is only one's opinion
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Would it matter if the hunters weren't hunting the animal that mauled them?
Would it matter if you personally knew the hunters that were mauled?
Thanks to humans providing so much more sustinence for wildlife populations hunting has become essential in population control for many different species.
Personally, I don't hunt. That doesn't mean that I see no benefit in it.
We were talking about trophy hunters, like bears and other big game.
I may know people like this... But they are not "friends".
Personally, it doesn't matter if I knew them. Not a fan of redneck hunters strutting their stuff shooting animals for their own satisfaction and ego.
I’m curious to know what a Vancouver philanthropist who donated a significant amount to the society has to say about how the money is being spent. Is it the responsibility of an out of province humane society to protest an event such as this? Or should their key focus be on feeding, sheltering and addressing issues in Vancouver?
I’m not a huge contributor to the Calgary humane society, but I do give and I certainly don’t expect an explanation of exactly where my donation is allocated. However, if the Calgary human society took a full page out in the Yellowknife newspaper protesting seal hunting I certainly would question where I think their priorities should be. My expectation would be finding, rescuing, rehabilitating, and finding new homes for animals in Calgary. That’s just me.
Why is eating the kill seen as more moral than putting it on the wall?
You have probably 85,000 meals in your life, so killing the thing and having it as a meal for a few of them followed by shatting it out 10 hours later, thats more worthy of killing. At least a head on the wall is more honoring to the deceased, there every day, you remember it, freaks out the kids.
Do we eat a loved one when they die or do we put them in an urn on the mantle?
Well... if we're not going to eliminate the abuse of animals for our entertainment, shouldn't we be expanding these abuses? I'm thinking we could get some deer involved (fast, jump great), and why just ride the bulls? Why not fight them afterwards ala bull-fighting and skewer them for the crowd's pleasure?
And we need big dog races... with kids riding the dogs (no more than 10 years old or something), and race those around.
In fact... why don't we get the animals to fight each other? They do it in nature, right? We'll just set up a sweet fight-scene that probably would have happened anyway (I'm thinking like wolf vs. cougar... or bear vs. bull or something).
I think it's one way or the other, either animual abuse for entertainment is ok, or it's not ok. And if it IS ok... we certainly are limiting ourselves. Theres all kinds of great fun we could be having.
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My family has been ranching in Alberta since 1882. I also grew up around rodeo competing in the Saddle Bronc into my mid 20's. Now I was taught to believe at a very early age that rodeo stock, bulls and horses in the rough stock events, had the easiest job in the world. They only work 8 seconds a week. Which isn't exactly true if you consider the travel, being loaded in and standing in the chute, the 8 seconds of the ride followed by being cleared out of the arena and ran through the stripping chute. Non the less it is a pretty easy life for the most part.
The stock contractors have a lot of money invested in the rough stock. It is their product and they get hired and paid on the performance of their rough stock. Stock contractors will freak out if you do anything to harm their animals while you are putting your gear on them in the chute. Some contractors for instance will give a young bareback rider a tongue lashing if he steps on the back of the horse while he is getting down (if your a world champion it doesn't seem to be a problem). Another time I saw a contractor get very upset with a bull rider who had the buckles of his spurs on the inside of his boot instead of the outside. For the most part these guys really care for these animals.
Now the timed event stock on the other hand is a bit of a different story. A calf can only be roped for so long because it gets too big. The steers in the bull dogging and team roping are only good for a season as well. So they are more expendable if you will. Now people don't go out of their way to intentionally hurt these animals. Accidents do unfortunately happen from time to time. Mostly to the steers by being accidentally stepped on by a horse resulting in broken legs. There are also some rules in place to protect the animals. For instance in calf roping you are disqualified and fined if you pull a calf over backward when it hits the end of your rope. Steers in the team roping wear horn wraps that prevent the rope from hurting the steers when they are roped around the horns.
In my experience more cowboys will be injured in the rough stock events by far compared to the bulls and horses. Horses can hurt themselves in the chutes when they are younger and wilder. Once they become veterans they pretty much know the routine and won't cause too many problems for the cowboys or themselves in the chutes. Same with the bulls.
Now out of the bucking horses, bulls, steers, and calves that are used in rodeo. The calves get the most attention when it comes to animal rights advocates or groups. They are very small compared to the horse and cowboy chasing them, although the calf would out weigh the cowboy 99% of the time. In my experience I can not remember a single incident where a calf was killed in the arena. I'm not saying it couldn't have happened, but it was infrequent enough that I don't recall a single death. Bucking horses on the other hand, I have witnessed many. From horses running into the fence at a full gallop breaking their necks. To horses breaking their legs while they are bucking. To horses breaking their backs while they are bucking (this usually happens after the cowboy has been bucked off and the horse just throws its own back out while bucking).
In my opinion it is a just a matter of time before a sport like calf roping will be out lawed or changed drastically due to public pressure. It may not happen for some time, but the trend of society is definitely heading that way. Rodeo for the most part is dying a slow death anyway. It is expensive and pretty tough on the body.
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Not as much fun as "Spot the crack whore" that is played in Vancouver on a nightly basis - although that is an incredibly easy game. Now, "spot the crack whore with more than three teeth" - that's a little bit tougher...
