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silentsim · 07-02-2010, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MickMcGeough

I laughed at this exchange between Steve Jobs and an irritated customer:
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/...enna-problems/

That's a fake email exchange as reported.

QuadCityImages · 07-02-2010, 06:01 AM

I always wondered how anyone would ever know if any of these is real. Even if it was real, how would you prove it?

MickMcGeough · 07-02-2010, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by silentsim

That's a fake email exchange as reported.

Yeah I saw it was a hoax, too bad.

COGENT · 07-02-2010, 10:57 AM

I have a 3G and the iOS 4.0 has made it run incredibly slow. Anyone else experiencing this? So frustrating.

OilKiller · 07-02-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by COGENT

I have a 3G and the iOS 4.0 has made run incredibly slow. Anyone else experiencing this? So frustrating.

Yep, my 3G was so slow I ditched it for a BB. I wasn't going to get a 3GS with the 4 coming to Canada in months, but I didn't want to wait and with the bad press the 4 has been getting, I decided a move was the right way to go.

photon · 07-02-2010, 11:24 AM

I don't understand this "bad press" the iPhone 4 supposedly is getting.. everyone says it's a great device, faster, better, stronger, and even with the antenna issue people still say it holds onto calls far better than previous versions of the phone, and since we're not on the problematic at&t network that isn't even an issue for us (I think I've had 3 dropped calls EVER on my iPhone 3G).

For the slowdown on the 3G, try a complete wipe, because there's other people who've had no speed issues after the upgrade, so it must be some kind of software bug with the upgrade process.

Azure · 07-02-2010, 11:29 AM

I suspect that when Telus, Rogers and Bell release the new iPhone in Canada, the launch will be pretty successful.

Especially since they are rumored to have the issue fixed in the next two weeks or so.

photon · 07-02-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Especially since they are rumored to have the issue fixed in the next two weeks or so.

From what I'm reading they're probably just going to rejig how many bars represent what signal strength.. basically change how it's displayed.

A real fix would be to coat the metal antenna with a clear coat, use the diamond vapor deposition they used on the 3GS screen.

Azure · 07-02-2010, 12:22 PM

So it would be a hardware issue in the end anyways. Which would require a massive recall to fix.

OilKiller · 07-02-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by photon

I don't understand this "bad press" the iPhone 4 supposedly is getting.. everyone says it's a great device, faster, better, stronger, and even with the antenna issue people still say it holds onto calls far better than previous versions of the phone, and since we're not on the problematic at&t network that isn't even an issue for us (I think I've had 3 dropped calls EVER on my iPhone 3G).

For the slowdown on the 3G, try a complete wipe, because there's other people who've had no speed issues after the upgrade, so it must be some kind of software bug with the upgrade process.

Well, there has been some bad press, do I really have to go through it all again? Antenna issues, screen issues, etc.

For me as well, the more people that got an iPhone, the more I didn't want it anymore. I'm 42 and decided the BB was a more appropriate phone for me. I was right.

I've been in contact with numerous people who have had issues. I did a complete wipe. Wasted a lot of my time quite frankly. Meh, whatever...I'm happy with my Bold 9700.

photon · 07-02-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

So it would be a hardware issue in the end anyways. Which would require a massive recall to fix.

Yup, which would be a huge black eye for Apple so they will never do it.

Might be a business opportunity for someone to offer up coated replacement antenna.

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Originally Posted by OilKiller

Well, there has been some bad press, do I really have to go through it all again? Antenna issues, screen issues, etc.

Just saying that the bad press really isn't that bad.. when making a purchasing decision evaluating things in context is better.. the antenna thing might be annoying, but does it actually impact day to day usage? Are the defective screens actually defective? Or is the rate of defective screens higher than what is to be expected in mass manufacturing? Etc..

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Originally Posted by OilKiller

For me as well, the more people that got an iPhone, the more I didn't want it anymore. I'm 42 and decided the BB was a more appropriate phone for me. I was right.

And that's fine, having a phone one's happy with is what it's about, that's a good reason to decide on a phone.

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Originally Posted by OilKiller

I've been in contact with numerous people who have had issues. I did a complete wipe. Wasted a lot of my time quite frankly. Meh, whatever...I'm happy with my Bold 9700.

Makes me wonder if there's a hardware revision on the 3G or something, why some people would experience such a significant difference while others don't.

Nuje · 07-02-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by photon

Just saying that the bad press really isn't that bad.. when making a purchasing decision evaluating things in context is better.. the antenna thing might be annoying, but does it actually impact day to day usage? Are the defective screens actually defective? Or is the rate of defective screens higher than what is to be expected in mass manufacturing? Etc..

Well it's tough to know until it actually arrives but, does covering up that isolating gap in the strip on the bottom left corner consistently make the reception drop considerably? This isn't a problem of the phone displaying 0 bars, the calls are dropped. Steve Jobs saying "get a cover" or "don't hold it like that", leads me to believe that it's a problem. If it weren't, he'd likely say something like "it's one small bad batch, and we'll work with those customers to fix it".

photon · 07-02-2010, 02:41 PM

Oh for sure I think the problem is real. The article I posted from Anandtech goes into exact detail of how much change there is to signal strength from bridging the gap.

Basically in a worst case scenario he measured a 24db signal dip, which depending on your signal strength will put you into a zero bar scenario. The question then is how often is the signal strength that low during normal use. Because on the flip side Anand found that the iPhone 4 performed much better than the previous ones in those low signal situations. He talks about the difference between just a signal strength, and signal to noise ratio.

Ultimately his conclusion was that Apple should still address the issue by coating the antenna (or giving free cases), but there's not many articles I've read that actually get the nuances of it, most just say "OMG my barz!!"

I don't think Apple is in a position to say "it's one small bad batch, and we'll work with those customers to fix it", because they sold what, 1.7 million units in two days? If they effect a hardware fix (i.e. coat the antenna) they will have to replace millions of units at a huge cost, monetarily, to their stock price, and to public perception.

I just can't see Jobs doing that, basically admitting to a design flaw. The only way they make a hardware fix is if they are forced into it by a lawsuit or something, otherwise I think they'll just go on and make a change in the next version. They can't even stealth fix the problem.

Azure · 07-02-2010, 02:42 PM

Well, someone has launched a lawsuit....

photon · 07-02-2010, 02:43 PM

Yeah, dunno how far that will go though, I haven't read anything detailed about it.. I mean what's the basis of the lawsuit? Making a product that has a flaw?

Azure · 07-02-2010, 02:51 PM

http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/02/cla...pple-iphone-4/

Hack&Lube · 07-03-2010, 02:34 AM

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/tech/...-97663404.html

So now, you can't trust the bars on any iphone ever produced and Apple admits that the signal quality bars on every iphone has been displayed incorrectly. Full bars may actually mean less reception than fewer bars and vice versa? Or just a badly written article characterizing comments in the wrong way?

FanIn80 · 07-03-2010, 05:43 AM

From my understanding, Apple is saying that their algorithm for calculating bars is wrong. When a user should only have 2 or 3 bars, it says they have 5.

This falls in line with all of the hard data that proves signal strength is actually better, and that the people with dropped calls had very little signal strength to begin with.

Translation: this should be a non-issue in Calgary.

(Yes it's a real issue in places with low signal strength, and yes I would like to get a free bumper case that I'll probably never use... And yes a group of lawyers are still going to get rich off this... I'm just saying that we don't live in an area with low signal strength, so this should all be a moot point.)

Edit: Although, I wonder if this means that people will lose calls on Rogers' network in elevators or tunnels etc...

Yeah_Baby · 07-03-2010, 09:29 AM

Why is a BB more age appropriate? That I don't get. The iPhone does everything that the BB does.

silentsim · 07-03-2010, 10:18 AM

So my blackberry broke, so I have to switch back to my old iPhone 2G till the 4 is available unlocked. I gave away my 3gs

1GB of Data enough for browsing and considerable email use on an iPhone these days?

Barely broke 300mb on blackberry.