G20: Toronto in Flames

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

I was out after the draft but if there was only 100-200 anarchists dressed in black, why didn't the police just go in tase them and arrest them?

they don't all band together, they disperse amongst the legit protesters then change their clothing.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Interesting. Are you allowed to go walk up to Stephen Harper's residence whenever you feel like it? How about to a military base? Prison fence? No, because there are things inside that need to be protected. Fact of the matter is this; for the next couple of days, world leaders are meeting in Toronto in a certain part of the city. In the interest of their security, the general public is being kept apart from them. There is the WHOLE rest of the city to go protest or do whatever your little heart desires. Don't go to the fence or there will be trouble. When this fiasco is over, everyone can go back to their lives and find something else to complain about.

Sure, it's reasonable to ask people to stay away from the immediate viscinty of the summit site. But most of the protest is happening severl blocks, if not several km from the site. For instance on Esplanade, Yonge or Queen Street.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Sure, it's reasonable to ask people to stay away from the immediate viscinty of the summit site. But most of the protest is happening severl blocks, if not several km from the site. For instance on Esplanade, Yonge or Queen Street.

and the police still have a responsibility to make sure that it doesn't get out of hand.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Not that I know what happened, but could it be possible that the person you saw doing nothing was previously doing something, and that was why the police grabbed him? What you see is not always what you get.

It could be possible that they arrested him because he rode a unicorn into town.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

they don't all band together, they disperse amongst the legit protesters then change their clothing.

On the news it said the police let them have the block and didn't go in at all.

I'm pretty pissed after seeing that footage. People should have formed mobs and beat the crap out of those idiots.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

i was being facetious

Of course I understood that, but do you understand my point?

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

On the news it said the police let them have the block and didn't go in at all.

I'm pretty pissed after seeing that footage. People should have formed mobs and beat the crap out of those idiots.

im actually surprised that the legit protesters dont turn these guys in or at least grab them til the police can arrest them. those idiots ruin the legit protesters message

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

Except that the UK is actively reducing the amount of surveillance they conduct on their citizenry, and seeking to bring some balance to a pendulum that is now recognized as having swung too far in one direction: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...ures-cuts.html

I should hope so......

Either way I don't want that coming to Canada, although it is already to an extent.

[kirant]

I know the police didn't handle it the best (as mentioned before), but these guys aren't exactly helping themselves. They're destroying propery and could easily have put innocent people in danger/disrupting their lives. I'm not against protests, but if you're disrupting other's rights, all bets are off for me. If I were an officer there, I'd have a hard time restraining myself. Hell, the news footage alone angers me.

Plus, the deaths of two soldiers are completely overshadowed by these idiots.

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

I was out after the draft and didn't really watch the news till now, but if there was only 100-200 anarchists dressed in black, why didn't the police just go in tase them and arrest them?

IMO, the Police are avoiding looking overbearing.

[Bunk]

Thought this quote was apt:

Nothing says "courage of your convictions" like wearing a mask & changing your clothes after committing acts of arson & vandalism

Friggin' cowards.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Of course I understood that, but do you understand my point?

I see what you're saying. I read up about buddy boy there, tends to sensationalize things for ratings.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

So what. If you aren't doing anything wrong or anything to be ashamed of why should you care if you are caught on a security camera?

It is that kind of "who cares" attitude that allows the noose to tighten until you have to get security clearance to take a dump.

Have you read Orwells 1984?

Come on ........do you really feel unsafe on the streets out there?

[Bertuzzied]

Hey ummm so what exactly where they protesting?

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Hey ummm so what exactly where they protesting?

They want to inspire some chaos and a new world order...or something like that.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Some of the cry babies in this thread make me sick. Seriously. If it were not for the fools with the sticks and the bricks causing the problems, there would have been no reason for the gov to pass assorted laws or the police to build barricades. We send people to other countries to defend our freedoms, and many of them get injured or die in the process. On occasion here on our own turf we must give up a little to keep everyone safe. If you want to cause problems, these police are there for you, not for innocent civilians going for lunch.

There is a fine line here Nage....

You really think our government spent more than a billion dollars to stop a few hooligans and anarchists?

No ,no ......this is all a result of the so called war on terror..

"Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security."
Benjamin Franklin

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

im actually surprised that the legit protesters dont turn these guys in or at least grab them til the police can arrest them. those idiots ruin the legit protesters message

Maybe they don't want to confront some hopped up moron in a black mask carrying a brick?
Maybe the "legit" protestors like what the anarchists are doing.
Maybe they might turn over the millions of pictures they took to the police later so that individual anarchists may be prosecuted? (like that will happen.....)
I dunno. From what I could see a lot of "legit" protestors were cheering on a lot of blatantly illegal acts.

[Pastiche]

Smashing a Starbucks window is so cliche.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Pastiche

Smashing a Starbucks window is so cliche.

Yeah, but I think practically everyone can get on board with that one... except maybe the guy inside sipping his mocha-frappa-lakka-ccino while writing poetry on his lap top.

[RT14]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Protests in general should be outlawed

Having lived in China for the last 6 years, I don't think you're thinking through what you're saying here.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Hey ummm so what exactly where they protesting?

Who? These "anarchists"? They are protesting the lack of things to smash on a daily basis, their right to cause chaos and cause damage to things that are not theirs.

The real protestors are there saying that there isn't enough being done to alleviate poverty around the world, the need for a better response from our leaders on environmental issues and asking for a "Green New Deal" which includes strong re-regulation of the financial sector. But that doesn't get covered by the news because some asshats want to break stuff and spit on cops.