G20: Toronto in Flames

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

Well I see one instance of undercover cops in the CBC article, questionable police work maybe, but no laws broken or property destroyed, and an infowars article which has no credibility in my opinion. Sorry about the Mason stuff though. It was uncalled for.

I'm not going to try and convince you, you will have to do your own research. This is very real.

This is not to say that I don't believe that there are real hooligans and anarchists out there. What there motivations are and who they work for I don't know, but peaceful protestors do clash with them......

[Azure]

I think its pretty much common sense that morons will give a bad name to the peaceful protesters. You gotta be pretty naive to think every single protester at the G20, or anywhere else is a loon. Some people have valid points. And they have the right to protest.

But that is the nature of the beast.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Azure

Well, if it were an opinion piece it would be a different story.

But its not, because they're trying to say that 9/11 being an inside job was a FACT.

And its not.

Which is why I dismiss the rest of their stuff.

They are more pointing out the FACTS that were not covered in the 9/11 commission report than anything....
The official story lacks alot of FACTS as well......

[Azure]

Trying to discount what Prague University came up with in their scientific research of what happened to the twin towers does not come across as 'factual.'

Nevermind what the 9/11 commission said, which I agree could have been a load of government hogwash.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

So you have to agree with every single opinion of all your personal prefered media sources to give them creditbility?

Look, I don't agree with everything infowars talks about, but to dismiss them alotgether is silly...

Frankly, if you don't think 9/11 was atleast highly suspicious and needs a proper independant investigation, then your head is shoved so far into the sand you cannot be helped.....but I digress.

I don't doubt that the police have used some under cover cops at these riots. I do doubt that the motive is to insight a riot. More likely they are trying to gather evidence. It might be the only way to extablish who insighted the riot. Also, they might be able to give the riot police up to the minute information of whatever plans the protestors have.

[Huntingwhale]

All this summit is, is a reason for these 'protestors' to go out and act like a bunch of hooligans. I'll bet 99% of them don't even know what they are protesting for.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

All this summit is, is a reason for these 'protestors' to go out and act like a bunch of hooligans. I'll bet 99% of them don't even know what they are protesting for.

I think there might be a few out for the thrill or to see what they can steal but, I'm sure most of them know what they are protesting for. Also, only a small percentage are rioting.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I don't doubt that the police have used some under cover cops at these riots. I do doubt that the motive is to insight a riot. More likely they are trying to gather evidence. It might be the only way to extablish who insighted the riot. Also, they might be able to give the riot police up to the minute information of whatever plans the protestors have.

You could be right, but they don't go out and hand pick protestors to arrest do they? Usually, the water cannons and rubber bullets get sprayed at everyone not just the shat disturbers.

What better way to ignore the message of the real protestors than by painting them all with the same hooligan anarchist brush??

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

You could be right, but they don't go out and hand pick protestors to arrest do they? Usually, the water cannons and rubber bullets get sprayed at everyone not just the shat disturbers.

What better way to ignore the message of the real protestors than by painting them all with the same hooligan anarchist brush??

That's the intention of the anarchists...don masks, black uniforms, throw projectiles at police and burn stuff then disappear back into the crowd. They want police to deploy gas and whatever else so the general crowd gets gassed or soaked, then the general crowd gets pissed at the police. It's a no win situation for police. And yes they do go hand pick protesters to arrest, not sure if you remember APEC in 97, but they did a snatch and grab job on one of the main protest organizers, his name escapes me right now.

The police have let the real protesters protest, the morons dressed in black with masks ruin it for everyone.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Azure

Trying to discount what Prague University came up with in their scientific research of what happened to the twin towers does not come across as 'factual.'

Nevermind what the 9/11 commission said, which I agree could have been a load of government hogwash.

I'm not sure of the Prague University research you a refering to. I would like to see it..

I'm sure I will get some laughs out of it, just like the NIST report..

If you have a link or something, PM me as I don't want to take this totally off topic.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

That's the intention of the anarchists...don masks, black uniforms, throw projectiles at police and burn stuff then disappear back into the crowd. They want police to deploy gas and whatever else so the general crowd gets gassed or soaked, then the general crowd gets pissed at the police. It's a no win situation for police. And yes they do go hand pick protesters to arrest, not sure if you remember APEC in 97, but they did a snatch and grab job on one of the main protest organizers, his name escapes me right now.

The police have let the real protesters protest, the morons dressed in black with masks ruin it for everyone.

Agreed.....
Anarchists and agent provocateurs have their own political motivations for doing this kind of thing. It's too bad really.

I wish they would spend someone elses billions of dollars and have their globalist meetings elsewhere.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

You could be right, but they don't go out and hand pick protestors to arrest do they? Usually, the water cannons and rubber bullets get sprayed at everyone not just the shat disturbers.

What better way to ignore the message of the real protestors than by painting them all with the same hooligan anarchist brush??

It is hard to separate protestors with a water canon. As I said before they all appear at the same time and leave at the same time. As for ignoring the message I think the rioting helps carry the message. It draws the attention of the press who always takes pains to separate the "peaceful protestors" from the rioters. They broadcast the message of the "peaceful protestors" protraying their causes as just.

They then protray the violent protestors as just wanting to cause chaos. I think although there is an element of truth in that assertion if you listened to them you would find they share the same goals as the main group: A redistribution of wealth and a breakdown of borders.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I'm not sure of the Prague University research you a refering to. I would like to see it..

I'm sure I will get some laughs out of it, just like the NIST report..

If you have a link or something, PM me as I don't want to take this totally off topic.

Sorry, it was Purdue. I always get them mixed up.

http://www.purdue.edu/uns/x/2007a/07...ffmannWTC.html

[HOZ]

Hows that anti-gun law working for you Toronto?

People should be free to protect their property, in any way they can, if the police are unable to.

Toronto held hostage to idiots. Looks good on them.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

It is hard to separate protestors with a water canon. As I said before they all appear at the same time and leave at the same time. As for ignoring the message I think the rioting helps carry the message. It draws the attention of the press who always takes pains to separate the "peaceful protestors" from the rioters. They broadcast the message of the "peaceful protestors" protraying their causes as just.

They then protray the violent protestors as just wanting to cause chaos. I think although there is an element of truth in that assertion if you listened to them you would find they share the same goals as the main group: A redistribution of wealth and a breakdown of borders.

And that is why protest organizers always refuse to rule out violence prior to these events. They know they have anarchists among them and they want them to cause mayhem. Then they condemn them after the fact, therefore appearing righteous and sympathetic, as if they are the victims. Meanwhile they get publicity rather than be ignored. Are some of their causes legitimate? Sure. But their methods are despicable.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

That's the intention of the anarchists...don masks, black uniforms, throw projectiles at police and burn stuff then disappear back into the crowd. They want police to deploy gas and whatever else so the general crowd gets gassed or soaked, then the general crowd gets pissed at the police. It's a no win situation for police. And yes they do go hand pick protesters to arrest, not sure if you remember APEC in 97, but they did a snatch and grab job on one of the main protest organizers, his name escapes me right now.

The police have let the real protesters protest, the morons dressed in black with masks ruin it for everyone.

They're idiots.

While the city and police have imposed some archaic police powers and bizarre restrictions that seem more antagonizing than anything, all the anarchists are doing is making them look justified. If they just didn't bother to show, everyone would realize what is going on and would be able to question these things, but with the anarchists causing trouble, people just accept these things as necessary. The anarchists actions are counter-productive to the exact things they say they are against.

I agree with some of the things they are against, but they really are the cause of the their own pain.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by fotze

I'd ask what they are protesting, but when someone replies it will get into some conspiracy mumbo jumbo and I'll stop reading after the second sentence, so I won't bother.

Here is one thing they are protesting:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/1...ivil_liberties

Keep in mind that countries do not lose they're freedoms overnight. It is usually a slow process where people gradually accept losing freedom in exchange for security. I am not going to get into conspiracy stuff, but there is a slippery slop, in my opinion, with some of this stuff.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

No excuse for this, but people have some right to be pissed. I have a friend in Toronto who said the citizens aren't allowed to go to establishments or walk down streets in certain areas. He told me the cops were very rude about it too, calling them fags and pretty much trying to challenge them to fights.

Again, no excuse for violence, but their city was pretty much made into a police state during this convention and people hate seeing their freedom taken away.

I am sure your friend took a video of the police call them fags and not just spewing baseless garbage as a justification for dickish action.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I am sure your friend took a video of the police call them fags and not just spewing baseless garbage as a justification for dickish action.

Whatever... I know him, he is a good guy. He really is a gay and dresses like a femme though.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Here is one thing they are protesting:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/1...ivil_liberties

Keep in mind that countries do not lose they're freedoms overnight. It is usually a slow process where people gradually accept losing freedom in exchange for security. I am not going to get into conspiracy stuff, but there is a slippery slop, in my opinion, with some of this stuff.

Kind of a poor example. It's an old law, that was "revamped" for the G20 and ends when the G20 ends. It's basically a watered down riot act and given the stuff that's been going on, I'd say it's warranted. Keep in mind there have been 150 arrests, not 15,000. They aren't going around house to house rounding up NDPers or Liberals and throwing them in the gulags of Nunavut. They are using it to arrest people who have no business coming close to the fence or being near sensitive areas.

Again, police are damned if they do, damned if they don't. I don't envy the officers there right now.