06-18-2010, 02:39 PM
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Novi Sad, Serbia
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Originally Posted by Locke
Makes me feel a bit better about Germany though, they're sitting with more points in 2 games than England.
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Germany is already through. Of course, if they beat Ghana. They have the best goal differential thanks to that 4-0 beatdown of Australia. If they beat Ghana, Ghana beats Australia tomorrow and then Serbia beats Australia, it's interesting that those three will have the same score of 2 wins and 1 loss. In that case, like I said, those 4 goals are all but guaranteeing Germany making it to the next round. So...don't worry. 
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06-18-2010, 02:41 PM
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#1702
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by NBC
Nothing like a broad based generalization to get the debating juices flowing.
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Do you even think before responding? When has England ever looked good in an international tournament? I can't recall the last time they advanced past the quarterfinals.
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06-18-2010, 02:41 PM
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#1703
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Red Deer now; Liverpool, England before
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Originally Posted by Ark2
How can the country that invented the sport be so bad at it? That was some really poor, uncreative football. Why people think that England is a threat to win the Cup every tournament is mind boggling. They just flat out suck in every single tournament.
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1986: Quarter Finals: Hand of god
1990: Semi-finals: Pen shootout loss
1998: Round of 16: Pen shootout loss
2002: Quarter finals
2006: Quarter Finals: Pen shootout loss.
Not great but better than a lot of teams.
Incidentally in 1990 England drew their first two games and won unconvincingly in the third game. They went onto the semis that year.
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06-18-2010, 02:42 PM
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#1704
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Interesting that if ENG and SLO finish 2-2 and USA and ALG finish 0-0 the seocnd place finisher will be decided by a coin flip.
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06-18-2010, 02:42 PM
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#1705
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Red Deer now; Liverpool, England before
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Originally Posted by ark2
do you even think before responding? When has england ever looked good in an international tournament? I can't recall the last time they advanced past the quarterfinals.
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1990 (see above)
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06-18-2010, 02:42 PM
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#1706
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by nemanja2306
Germany is already through. Of course, if they beat Ghana. They have the best goal differential thanks to that 4-0 beatdown of Australia. If they beat Ghana, Ghana beats Australia tomorrow and then Serbia beats Australia, it's interesting that those three will have the same score of 2 wins and 1 loss. In that case, like I said, those 4 goals are all but guaranteeing Germany making it to the next round. So...don't worry. |
Ghana is no pushover.
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06-18-2010, 02:43 PM
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#1707
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Novi Sad, Serbia
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Cheer up England fans! It could be worse...you could be France fans... imagine the depression of that nation.
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06-18-2010, 02:45 PM
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#1708
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Novi Sad, Serbia
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Originally Posted by Locke
Ghana is no pushover.
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Tell me about it.  But Germany should win. You have too much quality NOT to beat them.
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06-18-2010, 02:45 PM
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#1709
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ark2
Do you even think before responding? When has England ever looked good in an international tournament? I can't recall the last time they advanced past the quarterfinals.
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Do you even think before posting?
Read the thread, nobody honestly thought England was a favorite. Unless of course you think the people who write headlines at The Sun speak for a nation. Carry on though, can't wait to see your cement mixers roll around in agony again next week.
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06-18-2010, 02:46 PM
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#1710
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Originally Posted by nemanja2306
Cheer up England fans! It could be worse...you could be France fans... imagine the depression of that nation. |
France were terrible with no effort
England had effort outside of Rooney
not sure how much better I feel, only reason England may advance is a pants group
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06-18-2010, 02:46 PM
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#1711
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Originally Posted by nemanja2306
Cheer up England fans! It could be worse...you could be France fans... imagine the depression of that nation. |
France fans didn't have the expectations that English fans did.
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06-18-2010, 02:47 PM
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#1712
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
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Originally Posted by nemanja2306
Cheer up England fans! It could be worse...you could be France fans... imagine the depression of that nation. |
You mean two appearances in the finals in the last 12 years, one World Cup and one European Championship?
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06-18-2010, 02:47 PM
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#1713
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Originally Posted by valo403
Do you even think before posting?
Read the thread, nobody honestly thought England was a favorite. Unless of course you think the people who write headlines at The Sun speak for a nation. Carry on though, can't wait to see your cement mixers roll around in agony again next week.
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The commentator today said that England was the second favoured team to win this tournament (behind Brazil). I'm not sure where he got his info from, but that's what I was going on.
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06-18-2010, 02:51 PM
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Novi Sad, Serbia
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Originally Posted by troutman
You mean two appearances in the finals in the last 12 years, one World Cup and one European Championship? |
Touche... I was thinking more recently though. Like, you barely qualify, your national football icon is now a known world cheater, you draw against Uruguay, lose to Mexico and are now on the brink of elimination... 
It's their own fault though, why didn't they sack Dominech I'll never know. 
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06-18-2010, 02:53 PM
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#1715
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Novi Sad, Serbia
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Originally Posted by nik-
France fans didn't have the expectations that English fans did.
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True, but they didn't expect to crash out in the group stages already, did they? Especially, when they were handed (relatively) easy-ish group.
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06-18-2010, 02:54 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by valo403
Interesting that if ENG and SLO finish 2-2 and USA and ALG finish 0-0 the seocnd place finisher will be decided by a coin flip.
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They bring Charlize Theron back for that.
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06-18-2010, 02:55 PM
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#1717
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Originally Posted by nemanja2306
True, but they didn't expect to crash out in the group stages already, did they? Especially, when they were handed (relatively) easy-ish group.
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Maybe not, but again, if there's any team that shouldn't be going all Schadenfruede over France's success, or lack thereof, on the international stage, it's England.
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06-18-2010, 03:16 PM
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#1718
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Red Deer now; Liverpool, England before
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Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf
Wayne Rooney
what do you expect there Wayne? you especially were terrible today
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No doubt. Not a real smart thing to say when you were likely the worst player on the pitch.
Then again I didn't think his "we don't have to be at our best to beat Algeria" comment was very smart either. It pissed the Algerians off to no end and they played their socks off today.
All credit to them, much less so for Wayne.
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06-18-2010, 03:17 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Estonia
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06-18-2010, 03:21 PM
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#1720
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Account closed at user's request.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ark2
Do you even think before responding? When has England ever looked good in an international tournament? I can't recall the last time they advanced past the quarterfinals.
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I sure do. 
Using words like 'suck' and 'every' are bold assertions that surely must be backed up by empirical data. Unfortunately in this case your analysis fails the litmus test because not only have England won the World Cup, but made the semi-finals in 1990 and the semi-finals in the 1996 European Championships. While it is not a great pedigree, it is much better than the majority of football-playing nations. Hence my earlier comment about broad based generalizations.
And judging by the betting shops here, England's odds to win the World Cup were 9/1, behind Spain, Brazil and the Argies, which by my calculations would mean they were fourth favourites to win. But as my good friend rubecube pointed out yesterday, my math skills are poor at best.
Last edited by NBC; 06-18-2010 at 03:25 PM.
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