I agree completely he should be, he was great at the u21's last year as well
so he has had the pressure before
Yeah, Capello makes no sense with this. He's very Sutter-like in the way he locks onto his favourite players and refuses to play somone better at the position (see: SWP, Carragher, Green, etc.).
I agree with everyone, Hart would be my choice keeper as well.
Come on England!
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The US media, and the people in my office, seem to have declared the call to be offside, which would make it a terrible call. Unfortunately that was obviously not the call and there's a pretty clear instance of a US attacker tugging a defender just as Donovan kicks the ball, incidentally that's when the whistle was blown. A soft call with all the jostling going on? Yes. A terrible call? Nope.
The US media, and the people in my office, seem to have declared the call to be offside, which would make it a terrible call. Unfortunately that was obviously not the call and there's a pretty clear instance of a US attacker tugging a defender just as Donovan kicks the ball, incidentally that's when the whistle was blown. A soft call with all the jostling going on? Yes. A terrible call? Nope.
It's fine with me. A ref sees a push and blows the whistle. Everyone has a different interpretation of the call. It happens. If FIFA feels the call was wrong they can easily send the ref home. Other than that, I can't see an instant solution.
While the US was getting mugged, especially after the Donovan goal, the ref was passing out yellows to the offenders and gave the US 4-5 good free kick opportunities where they could've won the game. Why doesn't the media report that?
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It's fine with me. A ref sees a push and blows the whistle. Everyone has a different interpretation of the call. It happens. If FIFA feels the call was wrong they can easily send the ref home. Other than that, I can't see an instant solution.
While the US was getting mugged, especially after the Donovan goal, the ref was passing out yellows to the offenders and gave the US 4-5 good free kick opportunities where they could've won the game. Why doesn't the media report that?
Probably because we can't read Slovenian
It's the worst result I could imagine though, as I will now have to face a couple days worth of completely unintelligent moaning from everyone around me about that terrible offside call.
It's fine with me. A ref sees a push and blows the whistle. Everyone has a different interpretation of the call. It happens. If FIFA feels the call was wrong they can easily send the ref home. Other than that, I can't see an instant solution.
You are absolutely right, there is no solution.
Therein lies the problem. The United States was robbed of two points (it looked like both teams were rather grabby in the box, so the goal should have stood). No one was offside, so it can't be that. Lets say the ref is sent home, how does that in any way help the United States? Satisfaction means nothing if they are watching the knockouts at their local pub, even if they beat Algeria, they could get lost in the goal differential/head-to-head shuffle.
Germany is a little less straight forward, but objectively, if Klose wasn't given two straight yellow, and/or Vidic was given a straight red for his hand in the box, how would the game go? We don't know, and that's the problem. The referee became too visible, and enormously impacted the game beyond repair. Win, lose, or draw, that game is tainted.
How does FIFA fix this? There's a couple options, both of which require a rule change.
Option 1: Institute instant replay and coach challenge. If there's a stupid call, send it upstairs.
Option 2: Say FIFA wants to stick with the human aspect of the game, allow Coaches to request a game tape review. If the game is damaged beyond repair due to poor officiating, declare the game void, and order a re-play. I think this is a poor option, but I've heard this idea bandied around.
Therein lies the problem. The United States was robbed of two points (it looked like both teams were rather grabby in the box, so the goal should have stood). No one was offside, so it can't be that. Lets say the ref is sent home, how does that in any way help the United States? Satisfaction means nothing if they are watching the knockouts at their local pub, even if they beat Algeria, they could get lost in the goal differential/head-to-head shuffle.
Germany is a little less straight forward, but objectively, if Klose wasn't given two straight yellow, and/or Vidic was given a straight red for his hand in the box, how would the game go? We don't know, and that's the problem. The referee became too visible, and enormously impacted the game beyond repair. Win, lose, or draw, that game is tainted.
How does FIFA fix this? There's a couple options, both of which require a rule change.
Option 1: Institute instant replay and coach challenge. If there's a stupid call, send it upstairs.
Option 2: Say FIFA wants to stick with the human aspect of the game, allow Coaches to request a game tape review. If the game is damaged beyond repair due to poor officiating, declare the game void, and order a re-play. I think this is a poor option, but I've heard this idea bandied around.
Both of those options are absolutely absurd.
Option 1 does nothing for the issues you're complaining of. Fouls are judgment calls, officials aren't going to look at a foul on replay and declare that it didn't happen. The only place that is a benefit is in the case of a blatant dive, I could see that being helpful in that case only. Offsides could benefit from technology, as could decisions on whether or not the ball crossed the line. But fouls? No. Look at any replay system in any sport, you simply can't rely on replay for things that are 100% judgment calls.
Option 2 is just full blown ridiculous. Yes, let's allow games to be replayed because the ref wasn't great. Barring clear evidence of match fixing this idea is a complete non-starter.
I guess we should just limit the world cup to xbox. Problem solved.
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Option 1: Institute instant replay and coach challenge. If there's a stupid call, send it upstairs.
How would that work? The ref blew the whistle before the goal was scored. If they reviewed the play and concluded that no foul was committed, the Slovenian players would simply say that they stopped defending because of the whistle. No way that should ever happen.
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Option 2: Say FIFA wants to stick with the human aspect of the game, allow Coaches to request a game tape review. If the game is damaged beyond repair due to poor officiating, declare the game void, and order a re-play. I think this is a poor option, but I've heard this idea bandied around.
HOw bout implementing a 2 referee system? like on that horrible USA disallowed goal, the ref was not anywhere close enough to the box to make the correct decision. On that free kick, have one ref close to the goal line so he can see all the grabbing clutching going on.
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There is no option other to get better refs. Does this tournament really need 25 refs?
It could have been fine rotating 10. Give the good refs 6 games or something.
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One thing that I think should be introduced into the game is using replays to determine if a defensive foul occurred in the box. That way, we would see dives in the box decrease drastically.
There is no option other to get better refs. Does this tournament really need 25 refs?
It could have been fine rotating 10. Give the good refs 6 games or something.
The problem with that is that you will get some countries complaining that there are too many refs from one area and they'll claim conspiracy. It sucks when your team gets screwed over by poor reffing, and if you've followed any particular team for a certain length of time, I guarantee that it's happened to your team at least once. It's just part of the game and it happens in every sport that relies on human judgement.
One thing that I think should be introduced into the game is using replays to determine if a defensive foul occurred in the box. That way, we would see dives in the box decrease drastically.
That's a bit iffy even. How would you rule the Uruguay penalty after replay?
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The first guy cutting through the line, the one being held, was technically offsides wasn't he? He broke through the line before the ball was kicked and the Slovenian defender reacted by holding him. So isn't that the call? And is it right to say that the holding is trumped because the offsides preceded it? I mean, couldn't it be argued that the guy who put the ball in the net on that play was open because the first guy breaking through the line offside drew the defense to him?
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That's a bit iffy even. How would you rule the Uruguay penalty after replay?
That was a definate penalty. The goalkeeper didn't touch the ball and he clipped the Uruguay player. The Uruguay player rolling around on the ground, embellishing the contact afterwards had no effect on the call.
Yup, agree with you. I think we can both agree on that he was really inconsistant. But, what goes around comes around. Against Ghana, the referee helped them A LOT! And today, we got the, let's say help. Something really needs to be changed as far as refereing is concerned.
Although, I'm happy we won, I'm a little upset we played, almost cowardly. By that I mean, allowing Germany to control the game and create chances even with a man down. Same thing happened in qualifying. I can't explain why. It's as if we're scared to attack. Which is a shame really, because when we attacked we created chances. (see Krasic on the right side, your LB was, honestly, manhandled. Everytime Krasic blew right past him).
But I don't think you can blame Antic for going for a defensive tactic. Germany is a European power, to go all out attack against them is just foolish, especially when you're facing elimination like we did. The main goal at the WC is to win, at the end of the day, that's all that matters.
Well, seems we are in agreement then my Serbian friend. Congratulations on your victory and cheers for being a good sport about it.
However, I'll be playing both men's league and coaching a minor team against ethnic Serbian teams this week, and I'm going to work twice as hard to kick the sweet crap out of them!
And theres David 'the Disaster' James, patrolling England's penalty area. I'm just waiting for the gaff!
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A big reason why I'm happy I always pull for England in these things is you barely notice the vuvuzelas, the crowd's just mostly Brits and they're chanting, which is 1000 times better. It just sounds like the odd people with horns at a Stamps game.
I didn't watch the USA - Slovenia game, but is holding legal now?
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