Seattle Officer Punches Woman

[Mayer]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Cuz he sucks at his job.

The weird thing is that we can all see he sucks at his job, but everyone still thinks he has the right to "kick the s**t out of" that woman.

If he was right to punch her the first time, why didn't he keep punching when things were far more out of hand? Maybe he figured out it was a bad idea the first time?

What are you talking about? She backed off pretty quick after he threw the punch. She didn't really come back for more after that. He didn't punch the one he was arresting.

Again, that officer seemed to handle that situation pretty well. I'd be interested in what another officer thinks who sees this video. Would they have handled it differently?

[burnin_vernon]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

The cop could of handled that better. You NEVER under any circumstance hit a woman.

Never? ANY circumstance? What would be your tactical response to this woman?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4253849.stm

[Jetsfan]

I thought the officer did a great job in a difficult situation.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Or maybe he was trying to keep the situation from getting completely out of control?

Perhaps, but if he was trying to keep things from getting completely out of control he probably shouldn't have punched her in the first place.

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Look at how far away backup was. Three minutes is more than enough time for a mob to kill a cop.

Hey! I can play that game.

Suppose he really connected with that punch and the woman struck her head on the ground and died in the ambulance while paramedics futilely tried to save her unborn child? Three minutes is more than enough time to snuff out two lives over a measly jaywalking ticket.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Cuz he sucks at his job.

The weird thing is that we can all see he sucks at his job, but everyone still thinks he has the right to "kick the s**t out of" that woman.

If he was right to punch her the first time, why didn't he keep punching when things were far more out of hand? Maybe he figured out it was a bad idea the first time?

Without going back to the video. After he threw the first punch the first girl was pulled back and away and he was left with the original girl. At that point he was trying to cuff her but she was still resisting.

He threw one punch, then went to cuff the first girl. why would he keep punching?

[dre]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Hey! I can play that game.

Suppose he really connected with that punch and the woman struck her head on the ground and died in the ambulance while paramedics futilely tried to save her unborn child? Three minutes is more than enough time to snuff out two lives over a measly jaywalking ticket.

I like this game.
Or, suppose she never pushed the cop in the first place. Then the cop would not have punched her.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by dre

I like this game.
Or, suppose she never pushed the cop in the first place. Then the cop would not have punched her.

Ya think?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Perhaps, but if he was trying to keep things from getting completely out of control he probably shouldn't have punched her in the first place.

And what pray tell was he supposed to do? I'm just curious, because its clear that she wasn't listening anyways, it was clear that this woman had no respect for the police, first in basically telling him to f-off after being summoned. Second when her and her friends decided to stupidly fight the police.

If they really wanted to talk on a charge, they could have charged the little darling with attempting to incite a riot.

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Hey! I can play that game.

Suppose he really connected with that punch and the woman struck her head on the ground and died in the ambulance while paramedics futilely tried to save her unborn child? Three minutes is more than enough time to snuff out two lives over a measly jaywalking ticket.

Frankly that probably doesn't reach into the situation. You realize that in the last 4 years there were 65 people killed in that area of Seattle due to Jay Walking, so the police and the civil authorities aren't seeing it as a measly Jay Walking ticket.

And to turn it around, she jay walked, she was busted, nothing would have happened if she had acted like a civilized human being when she was called over by the cop. Instead she acted like a moron, she and her friend physically attacked a police officer, and I'm supposed to be in any way sympathetic.

I guess some people are raised differently to understand that in real life, you don't put your hands on a cop.

In real life acting like a moron can have much worse consequences then a black eye.

Personally, my only reaction is F the girl and F her friend, they deserved what they get, and hopefully the courts give them proper punishment, and for the one girl takes a look at her past actions including a car theft charge. She obviously does not fit into society in her current state and needs some help or a good kick in the ass.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Without going back to the video. After he threw the first punch the first girl was pulled back and away and he was left with the original girl. At that point he was trying to cuff her but she was still resisting.

He threw one punch, then went to cuff the first girl. why would he keep punching?

She was resisting. Going by the logic in this thread, a police officer can do pretty much whatever he wants to a person who resists arrest.

After the Big Punch he ended up grappling for quite a while with that gal in the black shirt. If he'd hauled off and punched her also, instead of doing all that wrestling, would you say he'd gone overboard?

[mikey_the_redneck]

The police profession has become quite sad overall.......

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

She was resisting. Going by the logic in this thread, a police officer can do pretty much whatever he wants to a person who resists arrest.

After the Big Punch he ended up grappling for quite a while with that gal in the black shirt. If he'd hauled off and punched her also, instead of doing all that wrestling, would you say he'd gone overboard?

I thought he should've tasered the one he was wrestling with.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I thought he should've tasered the one he was wrestling with.

Cool. That post makes you sound exactly as tough as you'd hoped.

[amorak]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

The police profession has become quite sad overall.......

9/11 was an inside job said the loonies!

[Mayer]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

She was resisting. Going by the logic in this thread, a police officer can do pretty much whatever he wants to a person who resists arrest.

After the Big Punch he ended up grappling for quite a while with that gal in the black shirt. If he'd hauled off and punched her also, instead of doing all that wrestling, would you say he'd gone overboard?

How are you missing this? He didn't punch the one who he was trying to arrest. He punched the one who tried to intervene and appeared to reach for his belt (on purpose or not, that doesn't matter). If a cop feels someone reaching for his gun, what is he supposed to do?

And to your second part, he didn't have to punch the girl he was arresting because she wasn't causing him any immediate danger.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Cool. That post makes you sound exactly as tough as you'd hoped.

Awesome. Yours makes you sound less clever than you'd hoped. How would you have handled the situation?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Looks to me like the pop to the ol' schnoz effectively took care of the situation. That and the bystander (wisely) restraining the second female. Didn't hear any hysterical sobs of pain, saw any blood, or read of any subsequent medical attention being required. Second female was effectively taken care of.

That cop is a hero.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

She was resisting. Going by the logic in this thread, a police officer can do pretty much whatever he wants to a person who resists arrest.

Clearly not, but when confronted by the situation of these two physically confronting him, yeah he can do what he needs to do to protect himself and defuse the situation.

The oldest law in the book is its stupid to resist cop. And this isn't about some legitimate and heroic resistance by underdogs in the face of police brutality.



[QUOTE=RougeUnderoos;2549522After the Big Punch he ended up grappling for quite a while with that gal in the black shirt. If he'd hauled off and punched her also, instead of doing all that wrestling, would you say he'd gone overboard?[/QUOTE]

He punched the second girl not the original girl, and if you'll notice after the punch she was no longer a factor.

He grappled with the first girl, and he was pretty restrained in that. There was no need to throw a punch on the second one, he basically had the situation under control at that point, so there's not even a point in debating a second punch that wasn't going to happen.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Mayer

How are you missing this? He didn't punch the one who he was trying to arrest.

How am I missing what? Obviously he punched the one who was trying to intervene. Then he was grappling with the one in the black shirt.

Originally Posted by Mayer

He punched the one who tried to intervene and appeared to reach for his belt (on purpose or not, that doesn't matter). If a cop feels someone reaching for his gun, what is he supposed to do?

I don't have the expertise of everyone else in this discussion, but I'd think that if he thought someone was reaching for his gun, he would try to prevent that instead of throwing a haymaker.

Originally Posted by Mayer

And to your second part, he didn't have to punch the girl he was arresting because she wasn't causing him any immediate danger.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Geez, I don't know. She was resisting and her friend was trying to steal his gun. Who knows what she was up to? The bitch might have had an AIDS needle stuck in her hair and he was pulling on that. He would have been justified in shooting her based on that alone.

[CaptainCrunch]

If someone is reaching for a cops belt he's going to try to create distance from his gun and try to stun the person. The best way to do that since he didn't have his taser or gun out was to pound her one in the face.

I just don't have a single problem with how this was done, I'm more interested in what the courts decide, and I'm slightly saddened that we have groups that are trying to turn it into a race issue.

[OILFAN #81]

I have to agree with people who say that the officer didn't do anything wrong. She touched and then shoved the officer. You can't put your hands on a police officer, it's that bloody simple.