Ring Road To Nowhere

[psicodude]

^ yeah, that does make more sense. Funny that the marketing BS for my neighborhood still shows the LRT going down 22X.

I was just reading up on that Southeast Employment Centre. Seriously cool.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by frinkprof

http://www.calgarytransit.com/pdf/ct...twork_plan.pdf

The reserved Right of Way down 162nd Ave. heading west that You Need a Thneed mentions I could see being used. If not by LRT, then a lower-capacity tram line. Not likely until will after the subdivisions west of Bridlewood and Evergreen are built out though.

/offtopic

A bit OT, but there is a very interesting quote in the linked PDF. There is a subway planned downtown, but only for the NorthWest/South route and the SouthEast route:

Early planning of the Calgary LRT network recognized the need to someday separate the
combined operation of the South / Northwest and Northeast lines that currently operate jointly
along 7th Avenue. Separation of these routes will eliminate delays that occur at the entry point
to the downtown where the lines must be switched onto a common piece of track. Provision has
been made for construction of a future subway under 8th Avenue S to accommodate the South /
Northwest service. The Northeast / West route will remain on 7th Avenue. Building the
8th Avenue Subway will allow for higher capacity services on both lines. Detailed functional
planning for this subway is just starting (2009) and the work will include a design for the subway
required for the Southeast line under 2nd Street SW.

[frinkprof]

^Correct. Actually there's a pre-engineering study that is just starting up that will recommend the alignments of these routes, construction method, etc.

The 7th Avenue transit mall will remain for the NE and W routes. The study outcome may change that plan, but that has been the direction of the planning done so far.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by Jedi Ninja

......The SW ring road is dead, and so is the Stoney Trail extension from Hwy 1 to Hwy 8. The money should instead be spent on developing the "outer ring road" along Hwy 22 and 22X from SW Calgary through Bragg Creek.

Okay so obviously you live in the north or don't drive. A single accident causes backups in just about the entire SW. MacLeod, Glenmore, 14th and 37th all turn into a traffic disasters and this happens daily. Not only that but it costs money. Many people need to get to places quickly to make money. Not to mention the effects on emergency vehicles to Rocky View.

Just connecting Anderson with 22x would be huge. Getting rid of lights on 14th would solve a lot more. I'm not saying we need a completed SW portion tomorrow but something has got to get done.

The province doesn't need to go through the reserve. That was only one option and there are many many others (small changes to existing roads make huge differences). If you saw how much was offered to the reserve you would be calling city hall tomorrow to complain.

[Bill Bumface]

It's ridiculous that a city of our size, based on a quadrant system, has 14th street as the furthest west north/south thoroughfare for a large part of our city.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

It's ridiculous that a city of our size, based on a quadrant system, has 14th street as the furthest west north/south thoroughfare for a large part of our city.

it's not that ridiculous when you think that 37 street is the farthest street on the west side for that part of town.

[ken0042]

Just to remind people (and to tell anybody who missed the sign) there is an open house about the SE leg of the Ring Road tonight at 4:30-8:00 at McKenzie Towne Church.

[mykalberta]

I dont see the problem building the ring road over the Glenmore resevoir and bypassing the reserve altogether.

The resevoir was man made not natural so any habitat concerns are muted since they can always fly somewhere else IMO.

I am adding that to my list of "wants" for our new mayor even though I never travel south of Glenmore except to acadia field to play flag football.

[Flacker]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I dont see the problem building the ring road over the Glenmore resevoir and bypassing the reserve altogether.

The resevoir was man made not natural so any habitat concerns are muted since they can always fly somewhere else IMO.

I am adding that to my list of "wants" for our new mayor even though I never travel south of Glenmore except to acadia field to play flag football.

The wetlands at Weaslehead are not manmade, the concern isn't about the reservoir it is the wetland habitat where the Elbow enters the reservior that is the concern. I believe the original capacity planning and placement of the dam was all done to conserve the Weaslehead wetlands. A bridge like Stoney Trail NW over the Bow River would have a pretty low impact on the area, and the wetlands could be preserved, but tree huggers are pretty hard to please.

[mykalberta]

So weaselhead existed before the creation of the Glenmore dam in 1932?

The things I have read indicate that weaselhead is nothing more than an artificial inland delta created by he construction of the dam.

I assumed artificial meant not natural and hence the reason I wouldnt see a problem building over it. It might disrupt habitat but that habitat could just move (things in nature are made to adapt to changing environments), the majority wouldnt be there without the dam which isnt natural. If it existed before 1932 than that makes this a different discussion IMO.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Flacker

The wetlands at Weaslehead are not manmade, the concern isn't about the reservoir it is the wetland habitat where the Elbow enters the reservior that is the concern. I believe the original capacity planning and placement of the dam was all done to conserve the Weaslehead wetlands. A bridge like Stoney Trail NW over the Bow River would have a pretty low impact on the area, and the wetlands could be preserved, but tree huggers are pretty hard to please.

The Weaselhead isn't manmade in the sense that anyone purposely built it, but the wetlands exist because of mankind's interference in the natural flow of the river.

The Weaselhead is a delta. By definition, deltas form when a river flows into a larger body of water, like a lake or reservoir. It wouldn't exist without the presence of the Reservoir and didn't exist prior to its construction.

[Shazam]

This just like how Monster Island is actually a peninsula.

[mykalberta]

If the Weaselhead isnt natural (ie didnt existed prior to 1932) I still think we should do everything to protect it, but it shouldnt be a deterant to what is obviously the only option for people in the SE.

[Madman]

You cannot build a ring road that is supposed to divert large truck traffic, (some of which may be transporting potentially hazerdous material), over a main source of drinking water.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Madman

You cannot build a ring road that is supposed to divert large truck traffic, (some of which may be transporting potentially hazerdous material), over a main source of drinking water.

There's only a few classes of dangerous goods that aren't allowed to go over the Glenmore causeway.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Madman

You cannot build a ring road that is supposed to divert large truck traffic, (some of which may be transporting potentially hazerdous material), over a main source of drinking water.

Really? Glenmore Trail would like to remind you that it carries a massive amount of traffic over a resevoir that serves a large part of our city, and has containment systems to prevent vehicle fluids from going into the water. It can be done.

[Shazam]

Class 6 isn't allowed over the causeway.

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

There's only a few classes of dangerous goods that aren't allowed to go over the Glenmore causeway.

Are the Glenmore causeway bridges built any differently than other bridges over water to prevent a potentially spill from draining down into the reservoir? Normally, over less "important" bodies of water, do bridges have drains on them that allow rainwater to drain into the river below?

[algernon]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

If you saw how much was offered to the reserve you would be calling city hall tomorrow to complain.

How much was the Reserve offered?

[Resolute 14]

In exchange for 400 ha of land, the various levels of government offered $275 million cash, 2000 ha of land on the NW border of the reserve and infrastructure upgrades that pushed the overall value to the band to over $500 million.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Tsuu+re...512/story.html

I'd really like to know when they will get the SE leg going. I seem to be hitting too many big, slow trucks when I cut down 84st between 17 and 114 avenues.