2010 NCAA football thread....

[wpgflamesfan]

Originally Posted by ipuckedyourmom

Jake Locker will win the Heisman and go first overall in next years draft. You heard it hear first!

1st Overall - Maybe
Heisman - No way in hell.

The guys record as a starter is 5-19 in two years of play. You don't win a Heisman playing on a team like that. Sure, they've improved from last year but their defence still sucks and they got a pretty tough schedule this year. @BYU, @USC, @Ore, @Cal and Neb are all games I can see them loosing.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by transplant99

And so it begins apparently....




http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5268408

Big time coup by the Big 10,if this goes through which isnt guarenteeed yet, as the Huskers are a major program and this boosts that conference a whole bunch.

Bitch Out move by Nebraska .... Got tired of getting them yams beat by the big 12 south ... J/k ... I mean they really did get them yams beat by the South but you know what I am saying!

[wpgflamesfan]

Hey nickerjones, what do you think of the whole rumour regarding Oklahoma moving to the pac-10?

[wpgflamesfan]

The USC football program will receive a two-year postseason ban, a reduction in scholarships and a forfeiture of wins from at least the 2004 season when the NCAA releases its sanctions on Thursday, a source told ESPN's Shelley Smith.

The Los Angeles Times reported the NCAA sanctions include the loss of more than 20 scholarships.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angele...ory?id=5267933

[Montana Moe]

F-usc

Great tweet from Aaron Rodgers to USC alum Clay Matthews:

@AaronRodgers12: Looking forward to getting my PAC-10 championship ring from the '04 season. Thanks @claymatthews52

[JayP]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Big time coup by the Big 10,if this goes through which isnt guarenteeed yet, as the Huskers are a major program and this boosts that conference a whole bunch.

It's pretty much the Big 10's best possible realistic scenario when they started mulling over expansion (we all know that Notre Dame was never going join).

Nebraska leaving is the domino that is going to disband the Big 12 in a matter of weeks and leave a mad scramble for the remaining teams.

According to the SI guys on twitter, the SEC has been making a play for Texas A&M for months. Probably trying to get A&M and using that as a bargaining ploy to bring Texas over afterward.

[transplant99]

F-usc

Yup...cant stand those schools who break rules...its quite rare.


This is what makes the NCAA so hard to understand. Obviously they see something they deemed illegal. OK fine. Happens all the time. This punishment is just so hard to understand though. None of the coaches nor players that committed these infractions are even there anymore. Only the kids who committed long before any of this stuff was to be announced. It maybe the single stupidest punishment system in North America.

[transplant99]

And away we go with the complete re-alignment of CFB.

A Big 12 football coach, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach on Wednesday night that if Nebraska left the Big 12 the conference would dissolve, according to his athletics director and university president. The coach said Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado would join the Pac-10, leaving Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Iowa State behind

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5270048

[transplant99]

Also, Masoli's days with Oregon are over completely.

Already serving a season-long suspension for his involvement in a fraternity house burglary in January, Masoli was kicked off the football team Wednesday, two days after he was cited by police on charges of possessing less than one ounce of marijuana, driving with a suspended license and failure to stop at a driveway or a sidewalk, according to the Eugene Register-Guard.

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10

[wpgflamesfan]

Originally Posted by JayP

According to the SI guys on twitter, the SEC has been making a play for Texas A&M for months. Probably trying to get A&M and using that as a bargaining ploy to bring Texas over afterward.

Texas will not go to the SEC due to academics. Also why would the SEC want to re-open the sweet hart TV deal they landed themselves before the economy tanked.

Also, Masoli's days with Oregon are over completely.

What a complete moron this kid is, but good too see he's finally gone. Clears up the whole quarterback controversy that might have happened next season.

This is what makes the NCAA so hard to understand. Obviously they see something they deemed illegal. OK fine. Happens all the time. This punishment is just so hard to understand though. None of the coaches nor players that committed these infractions are even there anymore. Only the kids who committed long before any of this stuff was to be announced. It maybe the single stupidest punishment system in North America.

I agree completely with this one, but how else to you deter stuff like this from happening again? Stripping a few titles and vacating a few wins won't do that.

[transplant99]

how else to you deter stuff like this from happening again

I think a 5 million dollar fine would have way more impact. $$$$ talks in CFB as we are seeing with the monumental shift in conferences.

Even more preferable would be to go after the President and AD of the offending Universities, but we all know who the NCAA is comprised of....the Presidents and the AD's. No way they will put a target on their own backs. The NCAA is such a corrupt orginization in some ways its sickening.

[transplant99]

Also...just to add to the USC thing...taking away 20 scholarships is a colossal mistake. Not because it punishes the USC program, because it does and they committed the infractions, but because it takes away from 20 kids attending a pretty good post seconday school and depriving those 20 kids of an education.

The argument is always, "well those 20 kids will just go elsewhere if they are good enough to play at USC"...which is true. However, no matter how it is sliced, those schools that pick up those kids use one of their own scholarships to add them, thereby losing one of those spots they would have used on someone else. Its 20 people that would have had an education they couldnt afford from whatever school it may be.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yup...cant stand those schools who break rules...its quite rare.


This is what makes the NCAA so hard to understand. Obviously they see something they deemed illegal. OK fine. Happens all the time. This punishment is just so hard to understand though. None of the coaches nor players that committed these infractions are even there anymore. Only the kids who committed long before any of this stuff was to be announced. It maybe the single stupidest punishment system in North America.

It's about punishing the institution that's in charge of overseeing the people who committed the violations. There's no way to punish the particular people when they no longer have ties to the NCAA, so you go after the entity that was responsible for their actions. It's no different than fines being imposed against a corporation for the illegal actions of a few employees. University's have a duty to watch over their employees, if they don't do a good job of it they pay for it. It's a more effective system than trying to hold the individuals accountable when they can simply walk off to greener pastures.

[wpgflamesfan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think a 5 million dollar fine would have way more impact. $$$$ talks in CFB as we are seeing with the monumental shift in conferences.

Even more preferable would be to go after the President and AD of the offending Universities, but we all know who the NCAA is comprised of....the Presidents and the AD's. No way they will put a target on their own backs. The NCAA is such a corrupt orginization in some ways its sickening.

A two year bowl ban is in essence just a huge financial penalty that doesn't really affect they players.

Correct me if i'm wrong but I believe that any players at USC can now transfer without consequence (ie sitting out a year). With that said, I still don't see many SC players leaving but you gotta wonder about Brown and Henderson, who both waited till after signing day to sign their LOIs, and only did so after Kiffin told them that USC would come out of all of this OK.

EDIT: Looking at NCAA Bylaw 13.1.1.3.3: "No release needed to contact SAs (student athletes) if school has postseason ban for the rest of their eligibility.” So if this is the case only Juniors and Seniors would be eligible to leave without sitting out a year.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think a 5 million dollar fine would have way more impact. $$$$ talks in CFB as we are seeing with the monumental shift in conferences.

Even more preferable would be to go after the President and AD of the offending Universities, but we all know who the NCAA is comprised of....the Presidents and the AD's. No way they will put a target on their own backs. The NCAA is such a corrupt orginization in some ways its sickening.

More impact than 2 years of bowl ineligibility? How? That will cost the program more in real dollars (you're aware of how much is earned by bowl participation correct?) as well as losses in exposure, and potentially regualr season attendance etc. (especially at USC seeing as their fans are largely front runners).

Going after the president and AD's isn't an option, the NCAA has no ability to personally fine people. Going after the instiution is the only option, and it indirectly goes after the presidents and DA's in that it effects the bottom line, which is certainly going to impact the job security of the people in the oversight roles.

[valo403]

As a Big Ten fan I'm a bit torn here, I like the addition of a 12th team but I'm not exaclty excited to see the whole landscape torn apart. I'm not really excited for a 16 team Big Ten or Pac-10, it just doesn't appeal to me. I guess maybe it will work, but my first impression isn't a good one.

Notre Dame ahd the ability to really keep things at status quo, if they join the Big Ten the dominos don't start to fall nationally. I really hope this results in the disapperance of the Big East, the signing of huge tv deals for the 3 remaining conferences, and the continued disappearance of ND from the national landscape. Their basketball team would be left homeless and their football team would be left as a poor orphan. It would be sweet to see.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by valo403

More impact than 2 years of bowl ineligibility? How? That will cost the program more in real dollars (you're aware of how much is earned by bowl participation correct?) as well as losses in exposure, and potentially regualr season attendance etc. (especially at USC seeing as their fans are largely front runners).

Going after the president and AD's isn't an option, the NCAA has no ability to personally fine people. Going after the instiution is the only option, and it indirectly goes after the presidents and DA's in that it effects the bottom line, which is certainly going to impact the job security of the people in the oversight roles.

Quite aware of all that...thanks.

A two year bowl ban is in essence just a huge financial penalty that doesn't really affect they players.

How does it not affect the players? Thats when they are seen at the highest level of competition in an effort to possibly be seen as able to play pro. Its a big deal for all players in the NCAA to play bowl games...and they are getting punished for something they didnt have anything to do with. Kind of goofy if you ask me.

[transplant99]

Also ESPN has just reported that Colorado has announced they are leaving the Big 12 to jon the PAc 10. the dominoes are falling quickly now. The Big 12 will soon be nothing but a note in history books. So weird to me.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5271438

[transplant99]

Just realized something here...

As it sits right now the Big 10 has 12 teams, and the Big 12 has 10 teams.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Also ESPN has just reported that Colorado has announced they are leaving the Big 12 to jon the PAc 10. the dominoes are falling quickly now. The Big 12 will soon be nothing but a note in history books. So weird to me.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5271438

Good for Colorado.

The rumors that Baylor was going to be the 6th Big-12 team team to switch over to the Pac-10 super-conference (instead of Colorado) always had me baffled. Baylor doesn't bring anything to the table in football or basketball. Colorado isn't anything special either, but they're clearly a step up and they've wanted admission into the Pac-10 for a long time now.