An article that I read from(linked) Glavin's blog back when South Park was censored
It is a review of a book The Tyranny of Guilt: An Essay on Western Masochism
By Pascal Bruckner
Princeton University Press, 264pp, $US26.95 (HB)
The hatred of Israel in Europe is the best example Bruckner produces. Hardly anyone mentions that the Arab and Iranian dictatorships find anti-Semitism as useful a method for distracting their subject people from examining their worthless regimes as the tsars and the Nazis did. ******
Europe copes with the guilt of the Holocaust by transferring it to Israel, which involves the recycling of the revolting trope that Jews are now Nazis.
Hopefully Israel learns from this public black eye and just shoots everyone next time. If you're going to take a sh*t kicking, at least get something good out of it.
We also know at least some of them were armed, as the soldiers were shot twice. So when armed men take a soldier hostage, they cease to be out of control rioters and become full fledged military combatants.
Can anyone really say in a situation where armed men have hostages on their way into Hamas controlled territory, lethal force is not absolutely necessary?
More pictures released, also confirmed to be real, show the captured soldiers being treated with first aid by the passengers aboard the Marmara. Hardly seems fits with the theme of the angry mob looking to lynch as many Jews as they can.
I said this straight to Israeli agents, probably of Mossad or Shin Bet, and I say it again now, on the morning of the attack I was directly involved in the disarming of two Israeli Commandos. This was a forcible, non-negotiable, separation of weapons from commandos who had already murdered two brothers that I had seen that day. One brother with a bullet entering dead center in his forehead, in what appeared to be an execution. I knew the commandos were murdering when I removed a 9mm pistol from one of them. I had that gun in my hands and as an ex-US Marine with training in the use of guns it was completely within my power to use that gun on the commando who may have been the murderer of one of my brothers. But that is not what I, nor any other defender of the ship did. I took that weapon away, removed the bullets, proper lead bullets, separated them from the weapon and hid the gun. I did this in the hopes that we would repel the attack and submit this weapon as evidence in a criminal trial against Israeli authorities for mass murder.
I also helped to physically separate one commando from his assault rifle, which another brother apparently through into the sea. I and hundreds of others know the truth that makes a mockery of the brave and moral Israeli military. We had in our full possession, three completely disarmed and helpless commandos. These boys were at our mercy, they were out of reach of their fellow murderers, inside the ship and surrounded by 100 or more men. I looked into the eyes of all three of these boys and I can tell you they had the fear of God in them. They looked at us as if we were them, and I have no doubt they did not believe there was any way they would survive that day. They looked like frightened children in the face of an abusive father.
But they did not face an enemy as ruthless as they. Instead the woman provided basic first aid, and ultimately they were released, battered and bruised for sure, but alive. Able to live another day. Able to feel the sun over head and the embrace of loved ones. Unlike those they murdered. Despite mourning the loss of our brothers, feeling rage towards these boys, we let them go. The Israeli prostitutes of propaganda can spew all of their disgusting bile all they wish, the commandos are the murders, we are the defenders, and yet we fought. We fought not just for our lives, not just for our cargo, not just for the people of Palestine, we fought in the name of justice and humanity. We were right to do so, in every way.
More pictures released, also confirmed to be real, show the captured soldiers being treated with first aid by the passengers aboard the Marmara. Hardly seems fits with the theme of the angry mob looking to lynch as many Jews as they can.
I believe the people on that boat had every right to defend themselves from an aggresively hostile boarding attempt in international waters. When you use violence against people, its rather naive not to expect a violent response in return, no? The difference in this case, is that one side had helicopters, assault rifles, stun grenades and body armour, and the other had makeshift clubs and kitchen knives.
I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.... I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honour than that she should, in a cowardly manner, become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonour. Gandhi
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I believe the people on that boat had every right to defend themselves from an aggresively hostile boarding attempt in international waters. When you use violence against people, its rather naive not to expect a violent response in return, no? The difference in this case, is that one side had helicopters, assault rifles, stun grenades and body armour, and the other had makeshift clubs and kitchen knives.
I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.... I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honour than that she should, in a cowardly manner, become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonour. Gandhi
Just hilarious....
When you use violence against people, its rather naive not to expect a violent response in return, no?
I agree fully. Hence when the Israeli commandos were ambushed they had the right to use force. People got hurt, people got killed. Go figure.
Want to see the difference between peace activists and combatants?
Here’s the aerial footage showing Israeli soldiers boarding the Rachel Corrie and taking control of the vessel. There was no violence and no one was killed or injured. Of course, there was no ambush by violent radical Islamists either. Funny how those two factors seem to coincide.
activistsresisted non-lethally and rendered assistance to the injured, captured commandos.
Clubbing someone over the head with a sharpened bar, with knives, slingshots, tossing people over the side down is not acting non-lethally. You may check the Canadian criminal code for that...if common sense is unavailable.
one wounded activist was left to bleed for 12 hours before being airlifted to Istanbul, and even then the Israelis refuse to hand over his medical records.
Hmmm......12 hours before treatment? It sounds like the Israeli healthcare has a very Canadian problem! That said when you start a fight you will hardly receive the kids-glove treatment and moaning about it looks nefarious.
HOWEVER, this report paints a far less sympathetic picture.
Ahmed Luqman Talib, 20, was shot when Israeli commandos stormed the flotilla of boats heading to Gaza, killing nine activists and injuring dozens more. He has been in hospital since and was deemed unfit to travel when Israel deported hundreds more activists and media earlier this week. His wife Jerry Campbell and sister Maryam Talib were allowed to stay in Israel until he was discharged. Foreign affairs officials in Canberra say the trio have now been deported to Turkey, where Mr Talib is likely to remain in hospital for some time.
Allowing family to stay with him and releasing him when he is physically able to move is a sure sign of torture.
Was that last video meant to sound as hateful towards Muslims as it actually did?
It obviously shows contempt for Hamas and the supporters of their brand of fundimentalist Islam. That sect of Islam is actively and openly at war with everyone who doesn't adhere to its literal interpretation of the Koran. They are our enemy as much as they are Israel's.
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Was that last video meant to sound as hateful towards Muslims as it actually did?
No. It was mean to poor Hamas and it's "activist" friends.
The "hateful"lyrics
There comes a time
When we need to make a show
For the world, the Web and CNN
There’s no people dying,
so the best that we can do
Is create the greatest bluff of all
We must go on pretending day by day
That in Gaza, there’s crisis, hunger and plague
Coz the billion bucks in aid won’t buy their basic needs
Like some cheese and missiles for the kids
We’ll make the world
Abandon reason
We’ll make them all believe that the Hamas
Is Momma Theresa
We are peaceful travelers
With guns and our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV
Ooooh, we’ll stab them at heart
They are soldiers, no one cares
We are small, and we took some pictures with doves
As Allah showed us, for facts there’s no demand
So we will always gain the upper hand
We’ll make the world
Abandon reason
We’ll make them all believe that the Hamas
Is Momma Theresa
We are peaceful travelers
we’re waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV
If Islam and terror brighten up your mood
But you worry that it may not look so good
Well well well well don’t you realize
You just gotta call yourself
An activist for peace and human aid
We’ll make the world
Abandon reason
We’ll make them all believe that the Hamas
Is Momma Theresa
We are peaceful travelers
We’re waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV
We con the world
We con the people
We’ll make them all believe the IDF is Jack the Ripper
We are peaceful travelers
We’re waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV
We con the world (Bruce: we con the world…)
We con the people (Bruce: we con the people…)
We’ll make them all believe the IDF is Jack the Ripper
We are peaceful travelers
We’re waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV
The truth will never find its way to your TV
More pictures released, also confirmed to be real, show the captured soldiers being treated with first aid by the passengers aboard the Marmara. Hardly seems fits with the theme of the angry mob looking to lynch as many Jews as they can.
Hmmm, I wonder why they're bloody in the first place. Why do they need to be cared for? Self inflicted wounds perhaps?
Oh right, lets ignore that part. Cause that would damn the actions of some of the people on board, and we don't want that.
Hmmm, I wonder why they're bloody in the first place. Why do they need to be cared for? Self inflicted wounds perhaps?
Oh right, lets ignore that part. Cause that would damn the actions of some of the people on board, and we don't want that.
That's funny...a ship in "International Waters" being raided/boarded forcefully - call it what you will, it is what it is, and they expect no resistance is just crazy piracy.
The story would be 100% different if this took place within or at the blockade line. This was a very poor judgement by the Isrealis, and they deserve to be brought by the international courts.
That's funny...a ship in "International Waters" being raided/boarded forcefully - call it what you will, it is what it is, and they expect no resistance is just crazy piracy.
The story would be 100% different if this took place within or at the blockade line. This was a very poor judgement by the Isrealis, and they deserve to be brought by the international courts.
So they are NOT peace activists then? They are combatants.
Dude, you and your pro-terrorist friends need to get a room and get the argument straight because we keep going in circles.
Are they peace activists that have been slaughtered mercilessly by the JOOS or are they combatants fighting off an attack and just got their ass handed to them by the JOOS?
So they are NOT peace activists then? They are combatants.
Dude, you and your pro-terrorist friends need to get a room and get the argument straight because we keep going in circles.
Are they peace activists that have been slaughtered mercilessly by the JOOS or are they combatants fighting off an attack and just got their ass handed to them by the JOOS?
Come on people. Get the story straight.
Man, you are quick to label someone as to what one is pro or against. Either way you mis-understood the issue I have with the attack which took place in International Waters.
All I am saying is that the Isrealis made a mistake in the approach and how they handled it. They should have waiting until the ships were closer to their waters or the blaockade if there was any sign of resistance, and if they did wait a little longer, we would not be having this conversation. They would have been justified to use lethal force, but here we are...poor judgement.
Man, you are quick to label someone as to what one is pro or against. Either way you mis-understood the issue I have with the attack which took place in International Waters.
All I am saying is that the Isrealis made a mistake in the approach and how they handled it. They should have waiting until the ships were closer to their waters or the blaockade if there was any sign of resistance, and if they did wait a little longer, we would not be having this conversation. They would have been justified to use lethal force, but here we are...poor judgement.
They didn't need to.
As per Section 67(a) of the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994
67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:
(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.
Israel had every right to board the ships given the intent of the ships to break the blockade.
And they gave them every option under the law.
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Nothing like watching edited video and testimony from a western government famous for admitting propaganda. I think I'll wait for the impartial inquiry before jumping on the Israel was justified bandwagon. I think its comical people automatically equate condemning Israel for racism/bigotry. I guess when you're running out of moral rope you gotta grasp for something.
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You've got to be really carefull when you apply San Remo, as it only really applies to declared armed conflicts. The current situation between Palestine and Israel is undeclared.
However its interesting to note that declared Naval Blockades are legal under San Remo if the blockade is declared and if it is being used to prevent contraband from reaching a port under control by a beligerant state. This would be a breach of International law if the targeted port was neutral. Also while Israel has not formerly declared an armed conflict, you could in theory argue that Gaza's elected government through actions and its charter have declared a state of armed action against Israel.
The argument that what Israel did in boarding the vessel is equivalent to an act of piracy is incorrect as well, under international law it is considered to be a state action, whereas Piracy is defined as a belligerant act with the intent of profitability. Legally when you declare a naval blockade you declare the right to inspect vessels.
Plus in the case of International Law, there has to be a recognition for Israel's right to defend itself.
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Nothing like watching edited video and testimony from a western government famous for admitting propaganda. I think I'll wait for the impartial inquiry before jumping on the Israel was justified bandwagon. I think its comical people automatically equate condemning Israel for racism/bigotry. I guess when you're running out of moral rope you gotta grasp for something.
But you've then got to look at the propaganda efforts of both sides, Hamas has become unmatched in their propaganda efforts, thats why I have my doubts from Witnesses on a boat that openly attacked IDF troops.
I doubt that there will be any kind of International Inquiry, especially one mandated by the UN. Israel doesn't trust the UN to be fair and impartial.
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resisted non-lethally and rendered assistance to the injured, captured commandos.
