Gulf Coast Oil Spill

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Bownesian

That and the speed that it will be consumed by microorganisms is proportional to surface area, thus small droplets are better than large slicks - or so goes the theory.

Don't use science and facts. It just further riles up the hippies.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Pinner

They're not picking it up, and it "looks" better if it's underwater contaminating the fish and the seafloor for all the critters.

Yes they are picking it up. http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...tentId=7061992

Seems that dispersal is the half-assed way of dealing with it vs. making a better skimming effort.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by SebC

Yes they are picking it up. http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...tentId=7061992

Seems that dispersal is the half-assed way of dealing with it vs. making a better skimming effort.

There's at least 18 million gallons in the water, even the BP link you provided doesn't claim to have cleaned up ANY oil...

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

True.

And, if you're Darth Vader, aka Karl Rove, you're saying today this is "Obama's Katrina."

Cowperson

True.

And anyone who believes a word Karl Rove says thinks the National Kenyan Socialist Party blew up the rig in the first place.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Pinner

There's at least 18 million gallons in the water, even the BP link you provided doesn't claim to have cleaned up ANY oil...

Your smugness and lack of reading ability don't mix very well...

BP is using a variety of skimmers and vessels to recover oil and protect the Gulf Coast.

And you're the one giving me eyerolls?

I legitimately want to know why dispersal is a good idea and have presented what I know so that it explains where I'm coming from when I say I don't understand why it wouldn't be better to keep the oil separated so they can pick it up. No need to be a tool about it.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by SebC

Your smugness and lack of reading ability don't mix very well...
And you're the one giving me eyerolls?

I'm at a loss... ? Are you sure it's me who can't read?

Originally Posted by SebC

I legitimately want to know why dispersal is a good idea and have presented what I know so that it explains where I'm coming from when I say I don't understand why it wouldn't be better to keep the oil separated so they can pick it up. No need to be a tool about it.

Why would you ask me why the dispersal crap is a good idea? Did I say something positive about dispersant? Your reading problem again.

You quoted BP's web site... Maybe they are biased, and putting a positive spin on this disaster... ? You don't really believe everything you read ?

Originally Posted by SebC

BP is using a variety of skimmers and vessels to recover oil and protect the Gulf Coast.

This will not be over until the relief well is (hopefully) successful. In a couple of months.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Pinner

I'm at a loss... ? Are you sure it's me who can't read?



Why would you ask me why the dispersal crap is a good idea? Did I say something positive about dispersant? Your reading problem again.

You quoted BP's web site... Maybe they are biased, and putting a positive spin on this disaster... ? You don't really believe everything you read ?



This will not be over until the relief well is (hopefully) successful. In a couple of months.

Good grief. I didn't ask you anything specifically, I asked Bring_Back_Shantz and the rest of CP generally.

I quoted BPs site that says they're picking up oil with skimmers, after you wrongly interjected and said that they are not. At which point you said, wrongly again, that my link doesn't say they are picking up oil when in fact it does.

Do you honestly believe that BP isn't skimming oil because I just happened to quote BPs website? It's one thing to put a positive spin on something, it's another to outright fabricate lies. There are plenty of other sources that refute your statement that they aren't picking up oil.

Whatever, I'm done with you and your bold text. Hey look, I can do that too!

[Sluggo]

Well it looks like top kill is dead and now officials are unwilling to give a %age of success.

[Phaneuf3]

Science has clearly failed us. It's time to turn to a faith based solution.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Karl Rove is awesome - I hadnt even heard him say that.

Awesome as in he's really smart when it comes to politics.

Otherwise not so much.

[Jake]

I read on BBC, that BP is now thinking of cutting the pipe, and putting a cap on it. If they cut the pipe, and cannot put a cap over it, would even more oil come out of the well?

This is so terrible. Even if this only happens once every hundred years, the damage done is enough, in my opinion, to stop deep off shore drilling for good.

[CaptainCrunch]

Yeah, talking to some friends of mine, to them it didn't look like the top kill was going to work, they looked at the mud coming out and figured that it wouldn't be able to maintain the pressure needed to stop the leak.

[Bill Bumface]

Skimming: less than 10% of the Exxon Valdez spill was removed from the water.

Dispersant and letting nature biodegrade the oil is a much better option, despite the fact it will be several decades until it's biodegraded.

[HPLovecraft]

Internal documents from BP show that there were serious problems and safety concerns with the Deepwater Horizon rig far earlier than those described by the company to Congress last week.

The company went ahead with the casing, but only after getting special permission from BP colleagues because the casing violated the company's own safety policies and design standards. The internal reports do not explain why the company allowed for an exception to its guidelines.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/ar...-s-safety?bn=1

[HOZ]

Hey....as long as you are looking good why does this matter?

Jefferson Parish Councilman Chris Roberts, whose district encompasses Grand Isle, told Yahoo! News that BP bused in "hundreds" of temporary to clean up local beaches. And as soon as the president was en route back to Washington, the workers were clearing out of Grand Isle too, Roberts said.

Weakest President in History!

Ok...maybe second after "I love Hezbollah" Carter. Mmmaybe.

[Uncarved]

Originally Posted by fotze

god I wish these articles made sense. I doubt engineers concluded something that makes no literal sense. How can casing be a cement job? Wdf?

In April of this year, BP engineers concluded the casing was “unlikely to be a successful cement job,” according to a document, referring to how the casing would be sealed to prevent gases from escaping up the well.

On deep wells like this they usually run 3 sets of casing in the hole that the blow out protecter sits on to prevent incidents like this. They start out big and get more narrow after each casing run, because the drill bit and the drill pipe have to fit inside the casing to continue drilling. After they run casing it is cemented into place. If there is not a good cement bond with the formation, gas & oil can leak up the sides of the casing, (on the out side of the cement) if there is enough pressure, making the BOP useless. Although if you have a failure in the BOP, (as in this case) it would be the same result.


I have also heard that BP has also been delaying capping the well, and leaving that as a very final solution. Meaning that they are comming up with ideas so they can still produce the oil instead of stopping the flow all together, and not being able to make money.

This mess won't be done for a while as they are waiting to drill relief wells that won't start until July/Aug, and most likely would take a few months to drill also. Makes me sad to be working in this industry, knowing that even in a disaster like this that money is still at the forefront.

[FurnaceFace]

Uncarved, or one of the other oil guys, can you explain what capping the well really means? From the layman view to me that sounds like they just stop the flow at the drill source. If they did that why would that prevent them from just drilling into the same reserve of oil a little further down? It might not be the ideal location but they could still get at that reserve couldn't they?

[Uncarved]

Fotze, that's just what i have been hearing from a few others out in the patch, I personally haven't followed the story that closely. Exactly that's exactly right about the oil migrating up outside the casing... if that happens they would be way more fooked. Maybe all the talk about capping the well was before the blow out happend, when they found out the BOP failed. But as you said before it would be nice if they did release a wellbore diagram. Then it would be way more obvious if the casing would hold if they did manage to cap it. Although they should already know that based on the casing pressure tests, weight of the fluid and the equivilate circulating density to hold back the formation.

The way that it is sounding that this well is going to be flowing until they get the relief well drilled, which is a few months down the road.

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by Uncarved

Fotze, that's just what i have been hearing from a few others out in the patch, I personally haven't followed the story that closely. Exactly that's exactly right about the oil migrating up outside the casing... if that happens they would be way more fooked. Maybe all the talk about capping the well was before the blow out happend, when they found out the BOP failed. But as you said before it would be nice if they did release a wellbore diagram. Then it would be way more obvious if the casing would hold if they did manage to cap it. Although they should already know that based on the weight of the fluid and the equivilate circulating density to hold back the formation.

The way that it is sounding that this well is going to be flowing until they get the relief well drilled, which is a few months down the road.

Which is a complete and utter monumental disaster and will probably make this the largest oil spill in history.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Hey....as long as you are looking good why does this matter?

Jefferson Parish Councilman Chris Roberts, whose district encompasses Grand Isle, told Yahoo! News that BP bused in "hundreds" of temporary to clean up local beaches. And as soon as the president was en route back to Washington, the workers were clearing out of Grand Isle too, Roberts said.

Weakest President in History!

Ok...maybe second after "I love Hezbollah" Carter. Mmmaybe.

I think Obama's statement that BP was going to pay for the entire clean up and damages was a very strong one HOZ.

I probably know more about this BP thing than I should, but BP is actually more at fault than a lot of people on here realize. They should be at least 2 weeks closer to getting this oil cleaned up than they are.