LOST sixth and final season

[Top Shelf]

Originally Posted by gottabekd

Guys, they weren't dead the whole time.

Christian says something along the lines of "Your time on the island was the most important part of your lives". Really doesn't mean anything if they were already dead.

In the flash sideways, they are all dead, and at the church meet up, they all were there to "let go" (i.e. stop existing in the make believe flash sideways timeline).

Eloise Hawking knows this, which is why she doesn't want Desmond to take her son (Daniel) with them. Eloise killed Daniel in the real timeline, and so enjoys the make believe world where he can still be alive with her. She hasn't let go yet.

Sounds like what I got out of this as well, I might be in the minority but I loved that finale.

It has always been about the characters and man was tonight ever about the characters!

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by FFR

Yes...yes this makes sense. Thank you. I was starting to talk myself out of my original theory and more towards the "dead" theory. If they were all dead than Christian's speech at the end made no sense at all. And Eloise's parts wouldn't have made sense either.

Both theories have holes, but the "they were always dead" theory explains everything in a way- mostly because nothing really needs to make sense if it isn't reality. How on earth does the entire Jacob/smoke monster sub plot make sense if it's not a representation of purgatory- choosing between heaven and hell.

[gottabekd]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Both theories have holes, but the "they were always dead" theory explains everything in a way- mostly because nothing really needs to make sense if it isn't reality. How on earth does the entire Jacob/smoke monster sub plot make sense if it's not a representation of purgatory- choosing between heaven and hell.

Yes, lot's of crazy sh*t happened on the island, but that doesn't mean it can't be 'real'. This strange world with a smoke monster and an immortal protector of a mysterious source of light is the fictional world that the writers created for the television series LOST. It doesn't have to make sense for it to be considered 'real'.

[davo0705]

I have no F****** idea about what the f*** is going on in this series.

[HPLovecraft]

I thought Sayid was a Muslim? Apparently Muslims only pass into heaven through Christian churches!

[gottabekd]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I thought Sayid was a Muslim? Apparently Muslims only pass into heaven through Christian churches!

If you were paying close attention, the church was multi-denominational. There were symbols and artifacts from a bunch of religions scattered throughout the church. If you have it PVR'd or the like, look closely at the stained glass in the church. I don't have access, but maybe someone can post a screenshot.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by gottabekd

If you were paying close attention, the church was multi-denominational. There were symbols and artifacts from a bunch of religions scattered throughout the church. If you have it PVR'd or the like, look closely at the stained glass in the church. I don't have access, but maybe someone can post a screenshot.

Close attention to the windows? I was watching the characters, man! I don't have a PVR, unfortunately.

[ResAlien]

Garbage. Utter garbage. I'm pissed I bothered following this show for 6 frakking seasons. Cheap and easy way out. Not a happy camper.

[DOK]

I was impressed and really enjoyed it! I think the AR and the island were a purgatory of sorts. They all crashed on the island and died at different times, and they all had to get back together in order to "let go" and cross over together. That's why it was so circular, they had to get everyone together in the right mind set, so it just kept circling over on itself until that happened.

I think part of the key in understanding is Jacks dad said in the church, "there is no here, there is no now" which negates the whole time traveling bit. Or not negates it, but makes it less important as to when and where things were going on.

Perhaps the smoke monster just wanted off the island to cross over and that's it. He was ready but just couldn't go when he wanted to. Jacob was happy in purgatory as were others.

There's a lot to sit on and try to absorb, but over all I was really pleased.

[Top Shelf]

Just been googling the finale and wanted to share one of the better recaps and explanations of things that I found.

http://blog.zap2it.com/ithappenedlas...es-finale.html

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by DOK

I was impressed and really enjoyed it! I think the AR and the island were a purgatory of sorts. They all crashed on the island and died at different times, and they all had to get back together in order to "let go" and cross over together. That's why it was so circular, they had to get everyone together in the right mind set, so it just kept circling over on itself until that happened.

I think part of the key in understanding is Jacks dad said in the church, "there is no here, there is no now" which negates the whole time traveling bit. Or not negates it, but makes it less important as to when and where things were going on.

Perhaps the smoke monster just wanted off the island to cross over and that's it. He was ready but just couldn't go when he wanted to. Jacob was happy in purgatory as were others.

There's a lot to sit on and try to absorb, but over all I was really pleased.

And how many other shows can make this same claim? The ending, to me, was great, because it really enables us as fans to interpret it a number of different ways. There is no really nice, tidy, everything spelled out for us, ending.

[Jason14h]

If you go with a theory that everyone died when the H-Bomb went off, the rest of the season can be thought of as only existing to help Jack "Let Go"

It was his mistake that essentially killed everyone, so he has to "save" everyone by destroying the smoke monster, sacrifice himself, and leaving the island in safe hands (Hurley). On top of this his finally wins Kate's love back.

With all this finally complete he can let go and join the rest of the dead members in the church (Heaven).

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Garbage. Utter garbage. I'm pissed I bothered following this show for 6 frakking seasons. Cheap and easy way out. Not a happy camper.

I'm not sure how you could have hoped for more? Every good book/movie/TV show leaves things open to interpretation, so if you were hoping for a more concrete explanation to finish it off, you were setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

If you thought the show was 'utter garbage', maybe you're better suited for America's Next Top Model.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Top Shelf

Just been googling the finale and wanted to share one of the better recaps and explanations of things that I found.

http://blog.zap2it.com/ithappenedlas...es-finale.html

This is actually a fantastic interpretation, and basically what I believe now. The why of life isn't as important, and basically unexplainable, as the relationships we make and carry with us.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

I'm not sure how you could have hoped for more? Every good book/movie/TV show leaves things open to interpretation, so if you were hoping for a more concrete explanation to finish it off, you were setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

If you thought the show was 'utter garbage', maybe you're better suited for America's Next Top Model.

Thanks tips.

It felt like a huge cop out. Why bother with any of the last, oh, 4 seasons then? Oh, everyone is dead, ok. Crap IMO.

[HotHotHeat]

Alright.

[nik-]

uhhhh .... didn't they EXPLICITLY state in the past that everyone didn't die, and that the island wasn't a purgatory type place? They said they weren't going this route.

I was REALLY enjoying the episode until Christian Shepard appeared. Ugh, I don't know what to think right now.

edit: I think I'm a little confused by this. When did these death's occur, is it just Jack's death? Did they all die in the plane crash? The shot of the Ajira plane flying over Jack as he dies is what is throwing me for a loop here.

[Mike F]

I have to respectfully disagree with just about everything.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its almost like the writers and producers had no idea to sum up the whole series, and give us the answers that we so richly deserved.

They weren't trying to sum up the whole series or give us "the answers", they were just trying to end the story, which doesn't have to (and shouldn't try to) do both to any great extent.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The majority of this episode was of the players in the alternate reality to gain back their memories and reunite with the loves that they had gained on the Island. that would be fine, except that I felt that the makers of lost were after cheap heat, as people remembered and cried and made out and in one case delivered babies. but it was played to get a emotional reaction while getting people distracted from the fact that the way that they ended this series was incredibly weak. But hey we all cried.

Half the episode was the producers revealing what the flash sideways universe was, which was a pleasant purgatory the Losties had created so they could find each other in the afterlife. It answered a question (what was that universe) and allowed for universal happy, tearjerking endings without violating one of the Lost universes prime laws - Life can be ugly, and not everyone gets a happy ending - by giving us a glimpse of their afterlife where that rule need not apply. As I said above, call me an old softie, but I loved it.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The ending of the Locke Monster was incredibly disappointing, it seemed that as soon as Jack took over guardianship he changed the rules and made the Man in Black mortal, and then using the distraction of the plug being pulled by Desmond there was basically a 5 minute fist fight ala the fight between Kirk and Kluge in the Search for Spock on the Genesis planet where the ultimate evil who could snuff out all life by merely leaving the Island was shot by Kate and then kicked off of a Cliff to his death. The only thing missing was Jack kicking him off of the Cliff while screaming "I. . . have . . . had enough of . . . you". Now say that in your head like William Shatner and you'll get my drift.

Meanwhile the plan by the Man in Black was to get Desmond to pull the bathtub drain in the Islands inner plumbing to sink the Island while he floated away on his boat while twirling his mustache and laughing like a villain.

The island was responsible for all of the supernatural elements of the show, including MIB & Richard's immortality and the inability of MIB to leave the island. By having Desmond shut down the island, all of that was suspended. MIB could leave, but he needed to give up his immortality to do it. It wasn't about creating a distraction, it was about removing barriers the only way they could be

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

While we finally saw the inside of the cave you get the feeling that originally the writers had a concept to explain the origins of the Island with the skeletons the hieroglyphics and the elaborately carved plug.

You really think they re-thought the explanation for the island after building that set, which would have been in the last weeks?

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

But the biggest disappointment to me was the ending explanation that they were all dead on the Island, the alternate reality was a waiting room for them to gain their memories, reunite and walk into the light. The only thing missing was Aaron sitting in front of a static filled T.V. while muttering "Their here".

The assumption being that Jack was the last to die, and when he expired, they could all move on. The final scene showed the jet with the rest of the survivors flying over head. I guess we're to assume that minutes later Lapedius went flaps down sending all the passengers to their death.

Yes this is the end, they were all dead, the smoke monster was Barry Horowitz and thank god they walked into the light.

I'm certain the "they were all dead all along" fear is wrong, which you seem to have now accepted.

[nik-]

Ok, reading that article that was posted, it definitely makes sense. I guess that explains why Hugo told Ben he was a great number two, which seemed a bit off for me since that had JUST started on the Island. I guess I missed that pretty blatant clue.

[LGA]

So this is basically what I got out of the series.

The island and what happened on the island happened in the real world, so they weren't dead. The island was basically a device to give them a purpose in life, if you look through the series it's not really about the mythology, it's about the character development and growth. In the end the island helped the main characters find what they were looking for, gave them a chance to right wrongs, commit wrongs, and find ways to repent.

The flash sideways was a purgatory-like world that the characters created (Christian stated as much) meant to reunite the characters. The island gave them a purpose, and that purpose was one another. So it's only natural for them to want to reunite as a group before they move on to whatever is next for them. In the end their "heaven" was finding each other, remembering what they had gone through and reuniting.