Mclean's - Do atheists care less?

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by speede5

Which is why i have a hard time with people using science as their absolute proof there is no God.

Science may not be perfect or have all the answers but it's preferable to "I don't understand it, so it must be Divine."

[T@T]

The flood is starting to bore me, there was no Noah's Ark that saved a million lifeforms ....period.

Now that that fairy tale is put to rest...

Lets talk about the Garden of Eden

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by T@T

The flood is starting to bore me, there was no Noah's Ark that saved a million lifeforms ....period.

Now that that fairy tale is put to rest...

Lets talk about the Garden of Eden

Depending on your religion, it could be anywhere.

Mormons think it is in Jackson County, Missouri.

Archaeologists have made some estimates as well:

There have been a number of claims as to the actual geographic location of the Garden of Eden, though many of these have little or no connection to the text of Genesis. Most put the Garden somewhere between Najaf and Kufa in the Middle East. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden

[Azure]

Originally Posted by T@T

The flood is starting to bore me, there was no Noah's Ark that saved a million lifeforms ....period.

Now that that fairy tale is put to rest...

Lets talk about the Garden of Eden

As in its physical location?

Who says it ever physically existed?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Azure

As in its physical location?

Who says it ever physically existed?

Well, I don't have a bible anymore (obviously) but from memory didn't Genesis claim it's approximate location? Northern Iran or maybe even Eastern Turkey?

I suppose it's real location is somewhere in Africa about 7 million years ago.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by T@T

Well, I don't have a bible anymore (obviously) but from memory didn't Genesis claim it's approximate location? Northern Iran or maybe even Eastern Turkey?

I suppose it's real location is somewhere in Africa about 7 million years ago.

If Genesis claimed the exact location why are people still debating where it actually was?

[Finny61]

^LOL

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Azure

If Genesis claimed the exact location why are people still debating where it actually was?

Who's debating where is supposedly was?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by T@T

Who's debating where is supposedly was?

Uhhh, everyone?

Unless I missed some amazing discovery in the past few years I'm pretty sure the exact location, if it even existed, has not been found. A lot of theories certainly exist though.

Since you love Google so much, go Google for it.

Everyone has a different theory.

So again I ask, if Genesis states so obviously where it EXACTLY was, whats the big hullabaloo about?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Azure

Uhhh, everyone?

Unless I missed some amazing discovery in the past few years I'm pretty sure the exact location, if it even existed, has not been found. A lot of theories certainly exist though.

Since you love Google so much, go Google for it.

Everyone has a different theory.

So again I ask, if Genesis states so obviously where it EXACTLY was, whats the big hullabaloo about?

If?
How about post what you really think!

[Azure]

Originally Posted by T@T

If?
How about post what you really think!

Why does that matter?

My opinion is that not everything in the Bible physically happened exactly like it says. Many of the 'stories' may have been written to teach the people who were living in that time lessons.

Does that mean God doesn't exist? No it almost certainly doesn't.

I think people who study the Bible or try to use history to prove God exists, like creationists, or people searching for historical evidence to prove a Biblical event will never come to any sort of firm conclusion.

Simply because if you could prove the existence of God faith would have no more meaning. And from a religious standpoint faith is essential.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Azure

Why does that matter?

My opinion is that not everything in the Bible physically happened exactly like it says. Many of the 'stories' may have been written to teach the people who were living in that time lessons.

Does that mean God doesn't exist? No it almost certainly doesn't.

I think people who study the Bible or try to use history to prove God exists, like creationists, or people searching for historical evidence to prove a Biblical event will never come to any sort of firm conclusion.

Simply because if you could prove the existence of God faith would have no more meaning. And from a religious standpoint faith is essential.

My opinion is the bible is full of fairy tales...we are close to being on the same page.

Except I think God is imaginary.

[jammies]

If there was a God, and He was benevolent, I would be watching women in short skirts this weekend instead of cowering inside from the rain.

Game, set, match.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by T@T

My opinion is the bible is full of fairy tales...we are close to being on the same page.

I agree that the Bible is full of tales that are not based in reality, although I think some of them have parablic value to them. I tend to think that was the real point in the first place.

As for God being imaginary... could be. Even things in science and nature could be imaginary. Our whole perspective about the world around us is from that of a human brain. Scientfically speaking, it's not a very big sample size. How do we know we are even logical beings? For example, you know how when we dream and the logic potion of our brain goes into slumber, things that are completely absurd make sense in a dream logic way... How do we know that humans are not living that way 24/7 and things that seem logical on the surface only appear that way because our brains (either through natural evolution or intelligent design) are engineered that way? I guess I am just saying that I see no reason to trust our senses and assume everything we sense or understand is truly representative of the world around us or that it means what we think it means.

[Hack&Lube]

I miss having Textcritic in these threads. Wasn't he some kind of biblical scholar?

[CarlW]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I believe that the longest you can make a wodden boat is about 200 ft

Just being picky but how did Noah fit all the animals in?

Not supporting the Noah thing at all, but the great Chinese Explorer Zheng He/Cheng Ho had wooden ships about 400 ft long and 160 ft wide.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by CarlW

Not supporting the Noah thing at all, but the great Chinese Explorer Zheng He/Cheng Ho had wooden ships about 400 ft long and 160 ft wide.

Maybe it's just me but I would imagine there was a big difference in boat making technology in the 3400 years that seperated the two.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I miss having Textcritic in these threads. Wasn't he some kind of biblical scholar?

Probably because these threads seem like Groundhog Day. The same points are made over and over by all sides.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by T@T

Maybe it's just me but I would imagine there was a big difference in boat making technology in the 3400 years that seperated the two.

I really don't know much about boat making but wouldn't he also have metal joints to use that Noah wouldn't.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I really don't know much about boat making but wouldn't he also have metal joints to use that Noah wouldn't.

Noah fastened his together using dried seaweed and snot.