Canadian DMCA to be introduced in June

[Azure]

Originally Posted by nik-

They own the IP's, it's not personal information. It may not be fair, but could they legally do it?

Well, legally I don't know.

Ethically it would be near suicide though, although technically part of the fee you pay goes towards security measures put in place to safeguard your personal information.

If they would come out with it publically I would love it. I would even support it. Screw you Canadian Government.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Does this mean they are going to remove the levy on blank media? Considering it won't be legal to rip movies/music onto, how can they tax it?

Good question, one would think so.

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

What if I am seeding torrents from my neighbor's connection and he's got unsecured wireless?

Might be a good defense to use wireless yourself and leave your wireless connection open, and do any downloading in a secure encrypted hidden virtual machine so you can just claim someone else downloaded it.

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

This bill is just a bunch of bunk. Nothing is going to happen guys, download away!

That's not what's happening in the US right now.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Does this mean they are going to remove the levy on blank media? Considering it won't be legal to rip movies/music onto, how can they tax it?

What if I am seeding torrents from my neighbor's connection and he's got unsecured wireless?

This bill is just a bunch of bunk. Nothing is going to happen guys, download away!

And if anyone has driven around a residential community, even in 2010 there are numerous unsecured networks.

This whole law is going to set it up for people to get screwed over.

And I doubt they're going to remove the levy unless there is some kind of political pressure for them to do so.

Either way, Conservatives are losing my vote if they pass this.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by photon

But again if they have a court order to disclose because someone broke the law, they have to give up the info don't they?

And like you said the only way to get around that would be to say the info never got stored.

Which creates another problem because Shaw, Telus and others keep that information for technical purposes.

[photon]

Originally Posted by csnarpy

As a Dj, this will be interesting when it gets passed. Almost all dj's now depend on digital music files for use in Serato or other mp3 type dj software. There is no way in hell i'm going back lugging in cd/vinyl cases to play gigs.

This law wouldn't eliminate digital files though, and it did mention that there would be fair dealing provisions. For CD's there is no digital lock (they aren't encrypted or anything) so I can't see this being a problem for ripping audio CD's.

Or just purchase the music in a digital format to begin with.

Originally Posted by nik-

Fair enough, but are there not US ISPs that don't provide this information to the RIAA?

Good question I don't know, I don't think I've heard of such a thing.

One could always just encrypt everything one does:

https://www.ipredator.se/?lang=en

[Cactus Jack]

We need to pressure the government again. Email and call your Members of Parliment and let them know Canadians won't stand for this. Do it multiple times and join the facebook group against this bill. Stupid government. Activism is the only thing that will prevent the government from again bowing to bullshiet US pressure

[Azure]

Whats the link to the Facebook group?

[Jimmy Stang]

Fan Page:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Fai...8625959?ref=ts

National Group:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php...5846683&ref=ts

Calgary Chapter:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php...6413223&ref=ts

[Azure]

Wrote my MP. Told him he isn't getting my vote if the Conservatives pass this stupid bill.

Everyone else should do the same.

[Devils'Advocate]

My MP already knows he isn't getting my vote, so he don't exactly care too much.... my MP could slaughter a litter of kittens and admit to liking little girls and he'd still win in a landslide.

This isn't an issue that 45 year old parents of two are going to get behind. They just don't care about issues of copy write and piracy. What percentage of Canadians know what DRM stands for?

My question is - which of the other 3 parties are going to back this? If the Liberals back this, then they are as dead to me as the Conservatives.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Azure

And I doubt they're going to remove the levy unless there is some kind of political pressure for them to do so.

There is... and it comes from the recording industry.

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

My question is - which of the other 3 parties are going to back this? If the Liberals back this, then they are as dead to me as the Conservatives.

I would love to see the government fall over something like this - it completely flies in the face of what Canadians expressed during the charade of copyright consultations that took place last year. If ever there was an example of Canadians having their government bend them over so big business can have their way with them - this is it.

The big question is - are the other parties willing to let that happen? Are they ready to dig their heels in? Over this?

I think that it is equally important to email some MPs from the opposition parties to let them know how Canadians feel about it. They're the ones that will make or break this. In addition, of course, to letting the Conservative MPs know that this is a major sticking point.

[Antithesis]

I don't mean to sound like Mr. On His High Horse so I sincerely apologise if my post comes off that way, and I hope this doesn't turn this topic into another PC/Mac flamefest, but with my Apple TV and iTunes account, I can download movies and music legally, using it on up to 5 other devices. That's about as much flexibility as I need.

From my perspective - and I acknowledge I have little real knowledge of this, it seems like it could lead to good things for me - my understanding has always been that we don't have access to things like Hulu or better streaming TV due to Canada's digital media laws. If this law leads to better access for me, then I'm happy. Yeah, it's selfish, so what?

[Azure]

^^^^I think that is what people want, but with a broader version.

Hulu, Netflix, etc, etc should all be available to Canadians and MUCH of the piracy stuff would drop.

[DownhillGoat]

I'm fine with not downloading. My music is purchased in itunes or on cd anyways. What's complete BS is not being able to rip dvd's onto my laptop or ipod. I'm certainly not going to start carrying 30 dvd's around when I'm on the road.

So how does the record company win out of this? Instead of buying a $35 blu-ray, I'm now supposed to pick up an apple tv or slingbox, buy the digital version for $10 and carry it around legally? So now they lose $25 on every movie I buy? That makes a ton of sense.

[Azure]

Nevermind being on the road.

Its 2010. A lot of people use media players to watch their movie collection. Buy DVD from store or buy it online, rip it to your computer and watch whenever you want. And they're trying to make that illegal. Which is beyond ridiculous.

[Matty81]

Harsh to say but every year that passes the more fossils who support this kind of crap die off - if we can just stave it off I feel like the likelihood of this kind of legislation ever passing is going down every year.

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Azure

Nevermind being on the road.

Its 2010. A lot of people use media players to watch their movie collection. Buy DVD from store or buy it online, rip it to your computer and watch whenever you want. And they're trying to make that illegal. Which is beyond ridiculous.

I ripped 5 legally-purchased movies to my Netbook that doesn't have a DVD drive (via my desktop PC) for a 13 hour flight last month. My penalty, should the industry feel like suing me: $100,000. Did I mention that these were legally purchased DVDs?

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

I don't mean to sound like Mr. On His High Horse so I sincerely apologise if my post comes off that way, and I hope this doesn't turn this topic into another PC/Mac flamefest, but with my Apple TV and iTunes account, I can download movies and music legally, using it on up to 5 other devices. That's about as much flexibility as I need.

From my perspective - and I acknowledge I have little real knowledge of this, it seems like it could lead to good things for me - my understanding has always been that we don't have access to things like Hulu or better streaming TV due to Canada's digital media laws. If this law leads to better access for me, then I'm happy. Yeah, it's selfish, so what?

And the industry essentially says: Just don't try to enjoy your "legacy" formats on new technology. I know that you bought that DVD, but you have no right to watch it on your iPod, computer, or any other device that comes along in the future. But here - you can happily buy it again for your iPod.

It definitely isn't an Apple vs. PC thing, but you're quite right, only an Apple TV user in Canada can rent a movie online and watch it on their TV. Anyone can do it through iTunes, but because of DRM, you can't watch it on your TV without putting a computer beside it.

In the US, Netflix lets you rent movies on your PS3 online. Hulu lets you watch TV online. In Canada, for whatever reason, the content providers are slow to adopt new technologies.

The DVD is a format that will eventually die off. As will Blu-Ray as soon as everyone can download HD movies directly to their TV or device attached to their TV - legally, of course. That begs the question, however, why is the industry dead-set on criminalizing converting a legacy format (DVD) to a digital file for your PC or iPod? Our current copyright laws allow you to utilize technology for your own personal use, which seems reasonable because you paid for that content, so it is only logical that you should be able to migrate DVDs to your iPod.

[SebC]

If it were me, not only would you be able to move your content, but it would be illegal to prevent you from doing so. Promote innovation, not legacy hardware.